Younger woman shouldn't procreate with their older SO

I found this link on a forum posted by some assbag advising a 20 something woman against getting pregnant with her 50 year old SO.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=44641

I read it and gave it a big ol' :rolleyes: . It seems to me the study didn't take things into consideration such a genetics, past health issues, etc. A man's fertility drops?:eek: Well, no shit.

So what? Are all of us younger ones that are hoping, praying, planning to get pregnant one day deluding ourselves as some have implied on other forums?

I guess this one touched a nerve with me because I don't want to get pregnant for a few years and my SO will be around 53 or so by then.

I am soooooooooooo very tired of society's view on AGR's. I've even heard that having children with someone older is "cruel".

What do you all think? Another hogwash study? Are we deluding ourselves?

Since 1980, the USA has seen a 40% jump in 35-49 year-old men fathering children and a 20% fall in men under 30 fathering children.

Uh oh. I guess human civilization is in trouble! :eek:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And, to answer Goldfire's question, NO--I do not think people 40+ and their partners are deluding themselves.

What forum is this? You should invite that 20-something woman over here!

I've even heard that having children with someone older is "cruel".

P.S. I've also heard that having children with stupid people is cruel, but people still do it every day. Case in point: whoever popped out that assbag!

P.P.S. I guess this one touched a nerve with me too. :p

Uh oh. I guess human civilization is in trouble! :eek:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And, to answer Goldfire's question, NO--I do not think people 40+ and their partners are deluding themselves.

What forum is this? You should invite that 20-something woman over here!

I did!;)

Like a 30 something man can't produce a child with genetic defects!:mad: :rolleyes:

P.S. I've also heard that having children with stupid people is cruel, but people still do it every day. Case in point: whoever popped out that assbag!

P.P.S. I guess this one touched a nerve with me too. :p

I've heard the whole, "It's not fair to your child. Their father will be dead by the time they're in college. You will be doing your child a huge disservice."

Again with the unrealistic predictions. I could get killed tomorrow! Besides, what does age really matter so long as the child has parents that love them unconditionally?

Oh please :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

They may have some slight points in that it's more likely an older man (or woman) won't live to "see their children grow", but give me a break--we're not living in those times where the life expectancy was 50 years old. If the SO in question has a clean bill of health, takes care of themselves and WANTS to raise a child--who the hell is anyone to say they can't?

To me, a 55 year old man raising a child with love beats the hell out of a 20 year old doing it half assed or abusing it. Plus it may even be better to have an older man father children--basing it solely on stereotypes here, the guy has much more life experience, maturity and presumable financial responsibility. Plus he may be more mellow and lax about raising a kid than a first time parent barely out of college.

Just my $.02!

To me, a 55 year old man raising a child with love beats the hell out of a 20 year old doing it half assed or abusing it. Plus it may even be better to have an older man father children--basing it solely on stereotypes here, the guy has much more life experience, maturity and presumable financial responsibility. Plus he may be more mellow and lax about raising a kid than a first time parent barely out of college.

Just my $.02!

Preach it.

My SO told me about a month ago that he would REALLY like to be a stay at home dad. I was...:eek: ! Of course, I'm all for it should we be in the position financially. I have NO PROBLEM bringing home the bacon if the SO wants to stay at home with our child. I could change my mind after I give birth, but who I am to tell him he can't?

I know there are many out there, but I have yet to meet a guy in their early 20s who wanted to be a stay at home dad. I'm just saying that being in an AGR can have its advantages!;) :D

Funny that this came up - just last night I was surfing around the net, looking at articles and papers on declining sperm quality. I get these bizarre research cravings once in a while, and even though we aren't even considering the possibility of having a baby right now, I was compelled to do the research.

Basically, what I came out with was that even though there's a increase in some defects or disorders, it's not THAT much of an increase. Problems encountered by older women are still more significant. And being healthy plays a huge role in all of this anyhow...taking vitamins and not drinking excessively or using drugs or smoking is important (obviously). Hehe, as is (for the man of course) not going in a jacuzzi or playing contact sports around the time you want to conceive. LOL

It's a pretty lame reason for a man in his fifties to not father a child, IMO. My dad was in his late fifties when my parents had my sister, and no, she's not schizophrenic and yes, my dad is still around for her - she's 25 now. What about women...should we also look down on women over the age of 35 that have a baby?

Good grief...if my BF and I do have a baby, we'll probably be around 35 and 53!! Double bad!

An older parent can have so many things to contribute, and can make such a better parent than they might have at a younger age. I think that we really do learn patience and to appreciate things like family as we get older (as least I see this in myself). I see myself being a much better parent now than I would have been 5 or 10 years ago.

(haven't been here in a while...)

Well for petesake! *rolls eyes*

Maybe this research makes sense... BUT... for many years people (and scientists) used to say that kids born from older men are more talented.:rolleyes: And it's not an accident that men do not loose their fertility till death (nature is a smart thing). In old times people used to have many kids - up to 10 and in this case a man just couldn't be young when he fathered his 10th kid lol. I don't think things have changed that much and now men shouldn't have kids after 40. There is a risk - but there always is a risk, no matter how old you actually are.:rolleyes: I just think that a couple needs to consult a doc before getting pregnant and think POSITIVE! This is natural for men to father kids at any age otherwise they would also have something like climax lol.
About "cruel to a kid": first of all it depends on a kid and how he takes the situation when he is old enough. I was born from a 44 yo dad - and NEVER had problems with other kids attitude. My fried was born from a really old mom and again - no problem. There is a BIGGER risk to loose an older parent, but there is a risk even if he is young. The only important thing is that an older parent has to take good care of himself, to stay in good shape and try to be healthy for the kid. Like my dad always did and still does. There are advntages of being an older dad - experience, maturuty, attitude to a kid. I can tell that!!! Cruel is to ahve a kid with an alcoholic or a drug addict. THAT IS CRUEL.
People's attitude to AGR: 1. peple tend to judge things that are different from what they have - it will always be this way BUT 2. people can change their attitude if they see your happy faces and great relationships. They would even thing AGR is the reason!!! Example: one very skinny girl wanted to become a model - and she did, became fomous (forgot her name - the one that made emaciation popular)! Now EVERY gilr wants to be very skinny, and society thinks being skinny is beautiful and ALL the models are extremily skinny!!! Before that skinny girl became a model nobody thought that was beautiful.
Haven't you noticed that Hollywood made AG marriages popular? Every 6th marriage in Russia is an AG marriage (mostly with OM). And psychologists say that these marriages are very stable. The problem might be only in case a girl is still very immature and wants to go to the disco all the time lol. In Old Russia MOST marriages were with OM. And they had more than one kid. WOW!!!

I think it would be better if we had more teenage guys being fathers, you know? At least they would be less likely to have genetic defects. Bad parenting aside, and all.


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To me, a 55 year old man raising a child with love beats the hell out of a 20 year old doing it half assed or abusing it. Plus it may even be better to have an older man father children--basing it solely on stereotypes here, the guy has much more life experience, maturity and presumable financial responsibility. Plus he may be more mellow and lax about raising a kid than a first time parent barely out of college.

My daughter's father was 21 at the time of her birth. My son's father was 41 at the time of his birth. Damn straight I prefer the patience and responsibility of the latter to the former.

I think it would be better if we had more teenage guys being fathers, you know? At least they would be less likely to have genetic defects. Bad parenting aside, and all.


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Well, maybe there is just a perfect age to father a kid for a man and a give birth for a woman, I agree. When you are the strongest, the healthiest , etc. But older dads are definately more responsible caring and tender. Perfect age to RAISE a kid!!! I'm sure everybody here will do fine :)

I've heard the whole, "It's not fair to your child. Their father will be dead by the time they're in college. You will be doing your child a huge disservice."



I always think this is so lame when I hear something like this...you hear it re: older woman having kids now.


I was born when my mother was in her 40's,she's still alive and I'm in my 40's too...

AS IF people know the exact age someone is going to die...:rolleyes: ...

I would rather see an older parent that is ready to have kids then some lame ass parent that had kids in his/her 20's ,then decide at 30 (s) they want to start acting like teenagers and neglect the kids because they didn't get to have fun when they were younger:rolleyes: ..and I see that senerio ALL the time...and the kids pay for it.

Older is better IMO to have kids.one is a bit more settled usually and not so apt to screw up a kids life because the novelty of having a kid has worn off...that being said...my mother was horrible at being a mother,that's just because she did NOT want kids,had nothing to do with her age..the age thing was just to point out she is still alive even though she had a kid later in life.

I think people can do good and awfully bad regardless of their age, it is not the age what will make you a good parent, and i find generalising on the opposite sense, see "older parents are more patient" untrue as well.

I think as in everything, and even though i guess for the most part it is a natural instinct, being a good parent can also be learned no matter how old you are, and i would say most of times it is a matter of will and not age.

Peculiar. No male has posted to this thread at all. The comments are from females yet this is a male issue. So here's a male perspective.

First, this thread is diverting from its original purpose .. talking about the risks of genetic defects to talking about the attributes of older fathers.

The results of this study concerns me greatly. If the research is not flawed, the results are alarming from my perspective. As an older spouse, I certainly would reconsider having a baby after 40, especially if the risk of putting my wife in danger of having a miscarriage increases rapidly after that age. I would not feel good about putting her in danger despite what my wife might say; as her husband, I would feel obligated to protect her. And this doesn't even begin to address my concerns of the increased risk of bringing a deformed baby into the world.

I downloaded and read the study. All of the report's results is conjecture based upon statistical probability. The sample size was roughly 80. This is hardly a representative sample of the male population from 20-70. The report implies that:
Our findings are based on convenience samples of
generally healthy nonsmoking workers and retirees in a nonclinical
setting and may not be representative of men attending fertility
clinics and those with health problems. Furthermore, markers for
other gene mutations, translocations, and deletions were not explored.
Also, evidence for group-specific age associations raises
questions of whether sperm defects were due to age per se or arise
from lifestyles or increased opportunities for mutagenic exposures
in older men.
They go on to conclude that:
The poor correlations among spermdefects
suggest that multiple measures of genomic damage are needed to
fully assess the reproductive and genetic burden in sperm, and that
men with good semen quality may still be at risk for fathering a child
with a genomic defect.
So the outlook is not bleak. They suggest that DFI is directly related to sperm mobility which might be a marker.

I don't know what to conclude myself but to say, for men over 40, I'd consider a sperm test before starting a family.

I too am concerned about these studies (and there are more out there other than the one referred to here). But, after reading through some other articles, I've come to the conclusion that male partner age does increase the risk for certain problems...but there are a number of other risk factors - genetic and health related etc. To me, it's something to be aware of, and test for accordingly, but the risk still seems to be low overall.

I agrre we have to take this research into consideration, and that's why I'm saying a couple needs to go to the doctor before getting pregnant. Especially the men who did vasectomy reversal. But at the same time I think that smoking might be same risk...
Any other men here,who can share their opinion or experience? Gunner, Zakem, anybody? We need your opinion here!!!

Why is fertility age a male issue when it also stated this:

"Even though older men are more likely to produce babies with genetic problems, there is not a raised risk of having a child with Down syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, triple X syndrome, and XYY - as is the case with older women." PECULIAR no female here mentioned it.

If I was an older woman... I would definately be tested before mothering a child.

If there is a family history of genetic problems or other health issues, then it would probably be best for the man to get tested before fathering any babies.

If the man is perfectly healthy with no family history of any problems, I wouldn't think it would be an issue. I would be more concerned about an older woman having a baby than an older man.

Actually, i guess no one mentioned it, cause the potential problems of older women wanting to procreate are already known, while it has always been taken for granted the male's age was not a factor when having kids.

If i were to have a baby with an older man i would also want to make sure everything was ok with both me, being the younger one, and the older male, in this case you, to make sure whatever is in my hands to make sure my kid will not have any health issues is done.But you know i think too much :p

edit: i want to add that by older i dont mean a healthy 40 yo, unless there is some background that would make a sperm test recommendable.But you know, it can never hurt check both parties before having a baby :D

Why is fertility age a male issue when it also stated this:

"Even though older men are more likely to produce babies with genetic problems, there is not a raised risk of having a child with Down syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, triple X syndrome, and XYY - as is the case with older women." PECULIAR no female here mentioned it.

If I was an older woman... I would definately be tested before mothering a child.


of course there is that whole menopause thing that helps keep us from procreating past our prime...

edit: i want to add that by older i dont mean a healthy 40 yo, unless there is some background that would make a sperm test recommendable.But you know, it can never hurt check both parties before having a baby :D

Unfortunately the article was about men after 40, I don't know if it means 50 or just 41, 42 etc. But I still think that there is always a risk no matter how old you are. The risk is bigger if both young parents smoke, then if one partner is older. I think so. Actually, my dad (44 when I was born) smoked lol. But we still cannot reject the results of research and it's a good think to just go to the doctor before planning pregnancy:)

I would love to attempt procreation with a young:eek: , nubile:eek: , hot:eek: .....:D

*goes to take cold shower*:(

I hadn't thought about defects b/c we aren't trying to have a baby. However my dad had my baby sister in his late 40's and is a WAY better dad with her . Way more nuturing !! I would still have a baby with my 47 year old man in a heartbeat. Assuming age was the only health factor.