Go ahead and mess with Texas

Jesus fuck this pissed me off. We're letting our culture slip away.

"1836 — it's a year, name and now a saga
Statement on team's moniker coming this week

By BERNARDO FALLAS
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle


Houston 1836 fans will have to wait a few more days to officially be told their new Major League Soccer team is changing names.

"Any announcement regarding the matter has been pushed back until later this week," team president Oliver Luck said late Monday.

The team and league had said last week that an announcement on the matter would be made no later than today.

The team is getting ready to ditch 1836 after some in the Hispanic, corporate and political communities decried it as offensive to Mexican-Americans.

The controversial name was meant to celebrate the year Houston was founded along the banks of Buffalo Bayou.

However, the year also commemorates Texas' independence from Mexico.

Some Hispanics contend that the name is anti-Mexican and anti-immigrant.

Neither 1836 nor the league have confirmed the change, however.

Leading candidates to replace 1836 include the Lone Star or Lonestars, Mustangs and Apollos.

The team has said these names are in the forefront because they did well in a "Name the Team Sweepstakes" online poll in which roughly 11,000 votes were submitted in late December and early January.

The name 1836 captured roughly 20 percent, or about 2,200 votes, making it the leader in the poll."

I think 1836 is a pretty stupid name, but c'mon. Writes Mark Krikorian over at NRO:
"If the Alamo offends you, maybe you're living in the wrong country. This is precisely what Sam Huntington meant in Who Are We? when he wrote that Mexican immigration is unlike that from any other country because, among other reasons, of the historical baggage immigrants bring: "Quite understandably, they feel that they have special rights in these territories."

Of course, though, guests can only impose their preferences on us if we let them; as Hillel famously asked, "If I am not for myself, who is for me?" And while the name of a soccer team is a triviality, it is animated by the same pusillanimous self-loathing that is leading Europe to dhimmitude, the latest example being a village which has banned the centuries-old tradition of burning Mohammed in effigy in celebration of Spain's victory in the 700-year war of liberation against the Moors."

OOOH....OH MY GOD!!! That's the most rediculous thing I've ever read.

I think the team should be called "The Santa Anas"

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!! And then kick their asses a few weeks later.

How come the New England soccer team is called, "The Revolution" and the football team, "The Patriots" That isn't offensive to British Americans?

Then name them the

CHICKEN ENCHILADAS!:cool:

or perhaps

The Texas Illegals:D

Now, how could that be offensive to the mexicans?

Just tell them...no...it means..."It should be illegal to look that sexy!" Those latino men love that kinda thing!

I'm offended when people get offended.

Ekkkk.. I hate Texas :D Even though I have A LOT of family there, plus Terry spens A LOT of time there due to that is BNSF's head quarters....

Ekkkk.. I hate Texas :D
Then this is the shirt for you!
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/Cyberpundit/texastee.jpg

Ekkkk.. I hate Texas :D

I'm going to pretend I didn't see this. *grin*

That is the most retarded thing I've ever heard...

Dang Mexicans!!! They're lucky we let them live and work in Texas...let alone have any say about our soccer teams!!!

I bet it's all a big publicity stunt cuz no one in Texas really gives a rats ass about anything that isn't football.

Nadine.

I'm sorry!!! :D He wanted me to to fly down there this weekend and I refused..... :D

I'm sorry!!! :D He wanted me to to fly down there this weekend and I refused..... :D

If he's paying...I'll go!!! :D

Nadine.

If he's paying...I'll go!!! :D

Nadine.

LOL Yes he is.... We get really cheap airfare/hotel stays sense we work in a company that is a lodging admin.... :D

Now if he said VEGAS I would of been there in a heartbeat!

School I was working at a few years ago had to change it's name to the "patriots" because the "Braves" was offensive to Native Americans.

Can I just say that I am offended by all the fucking Mexican billboards in LA!!!
I swear you can't go more than a couple of blocks without reading billboards in Spanish!!!

Now I have nothing but respect for the hispanic communities. (lets all admit it, they do the jobs that Americans won't!)
But come ON!!! This is America! Learn how to speak English!!!!!!!!!

well i've never been there but i wanna go


and ummm yeah if your in the United states PERMANENTLY speak the damn language.

Actually, I kinda disagree that if you're here, speak the language. Historically speaking, first generation immigrants frequently never learned English, but their children do and translate for them.

The whole anti-immigrant stance our country is leaning towards IS anti-American. Remember... we take the huddled masses. :eek: Personally, I love hearing different languages spoken everywhere. I loved my old "hood" and being one of the LAST white american families in the hood speaking English. It HELPED those who didn't know it and it helped ME to learn some of their spanish. I go into Latin markets now in Reston and try my best to speak what little spanish I know and they appreciate my openness and appreciation of THEM as much as I do their willingness to fight to come here and live the American dream.

My ancestors did it. So did most of yours.

I don't see why the lessons of our past are lost on us. Our ancestors (mine especially, IRISH) had a lot of mistreatment. Why do we continue this legacy? The latin immigrants in this are do almost ALL the service work 3rd & 4th and more generations of Americans think are beneath them! :eek: Think of the contruction industry! The mexicans are AMAZING at building the buildings you'll eventually work in, and caring for the landscaping of the communities you LIVE in! And picking the crops of the food you EAT. They are VITAL to our continued growth and survival on so many levels and should be celebrated, not spit on.

I know of very few American public schools that teach in Spanish. They don't. The second generation immigrants are frequently bilingual. Give their folks a break! ;)

~phos

Now I have nothing but respect for the hispanic communities. (lets all admit it, they do the jobs that Americans won't!)

Actually I'm not convinced that's true. Restricting immigration would encourage more efficiency and mechanization in agriculture in the long run. If you go inland to Minnesota, Wisconsin etc you see American citizens of all races cleaning motel rooms, doing janitorial work etc.
If there are "jobs Americans won't do" then we don't need to import more foreign workers, we need to shame ourselves for being too uppity.

The whole anti-immigrant stance our country is leaning towards IS anti-American. Remember... we take the huddled masses. :eek:

True. But the Statue of Liberty isn't new, and we don't have a mostly unsettled interior for Mexican or German or Scandinavian farmers to homestead and farm like back in the day.

The mexicans are AMAZING at building the buildings you'll eventually work in, and caring for the landscaping of the communities you LIVE in!
I wanted to mention the landscaping thing. I had a conversation with someone from California once (Fresno-Central Valley) who told me that practically no one she knew mowed their own yard. Not just the rich, but the middle class or working class people. If they had some money to spare, they just hired a Latin immigrant or poor native born Hispanic. This isn't like the Guilded Age where some rich bastards in the northeast hired Irish domestics, native Americans are more and more importing a servant class. This isn't good for immigrants, as an unchecked labor pool stagnates wages and the poverty leads to smoldering racial tensions, it's also bad for us because it makes us complacent, lazy and too arrogrant.
I found this article once online, it describes how patronizing Texan families are towards the Mexicans they employ.
http://www.austinmama.com/ninera.htm

School I was working at a few years ago had to change it's name to the "patriots" because the "Braves" was offensive to Native Americans.

A California journalist came up with a solution to that:
http://www.isteve.com/2001_Indian_Team_Names.htm

In response to your first link, I can say that it really is NOT like that in the DC area at all. I know a few people who hire maids to clean their house (my folks do, after a lifetime of doing it themselves, it became overwhelming and they have finally earned it), but I know NO ONE who has a latin nanny... except in southern California, where I know my SIL's nanny was paid much better than white women in daycare centers there. :eek: She was also very much my brother and SILs TRUE friend. They spent a lot of time with her and miss her terribly since moving to VA.

The guys who lived next to me were all from Honduras. Three guys bought and moved into the house next to me. They all had families back home. They started up a landscaping business. Within a year, they had a bunch of "community" clients and were making 3 to 4 times what I was bringing home (I asked them... :eek: ) They provided for their families back home, brought them here, bought their own individual UPSCALE McMansions for their families and deserved every bit of the "American Dream" they were living. I was very proud and happy for them and most assuredly considered them friends They taught me the most spanish I know, just sittin' on the porch shootin' the shit with them.

I know I can only speak from my own experiences. Where I live, the latin immigrants are not underpaid or underappreciated. They melt right into the community and improve it on every level. They make great neighbors, excellent friends and are true American's... living the American dream and I, for one, appreciate them.

If I am EVER in a position to hire a Nanny (something I would/could never do anyway, you know... that silly thing about personal responsibility) it would be a latin american immigrant. Not to be my servant, but to help my children and for me to help her get a CHANCE here to make more than minimum wage and be treated with decency and respect.

Every first generation coming to America has seen its hardships starting out and gaining respect. It doesn't matter if you're from latin america, asia, europe or elsewhere. It's always hardest on the first generation. Unless you luck out and move to an area like here. :eek: Where they CAN and DO wreap the rewards of their hardwork in their lifetime. I've seen it happen over and over and always wondered why people would think they were here in servitude. It's so not like that here.

~phos

I used to know a guy from Guatemala, sounds like these Honduran dudes have the same work ethic and genial personality he does. As for the nanny thing, I don't believe in nannies at all. I think if a couple can afford a nanny for their kids then one of them can afford to be a homemaker. I don't want to sound like I'm demonizing immigrants, my grandma was one. But I think we're reaching the point though where enough is enough.

Please don't get me wrong, I am very PRO-Immigrant. The United States was founded by these immigrants escaping something. However, my problem is not with them. It's with thier children, the second and third generations. I work with these kids EVERYDAY! Their parents are working their poor asses off in really SHIT jobs just trying to provide a better life for thier children. Their kids are lazy fucking bums who think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter.
Every housekeeper my grandmother has ever had worked very hard to learn a rudimentary understanding of English. They learned at least enough to get by. Their kids think that they shouldn't have to. They feel that they are "Better than that"

You're a California schoolteacher, right? Read Victor Davis Hanson's book Mexifornia sometime. It chronicles how immigration has changed California over the last 20 or 30 years.

yeah, I teach US History and Government (11th and 12th grade) in Los Angeles (well the San Fernando Valley). I'll have to check it out. What I find ironic is the fact that I'm teaching at the same school I graduated from 10 years ago. Sometimes I can't get over how much it's changed in the past 10 years!!! It's mind boggling! Here is a school that won the National Academic Decathalon (my sophmore and junior year) and now it's a "Title One" school and in danger of being taken over by the state (due to low test scores).

the school i graduated from was a top ten maryland school


we sent 85% of the class to college including

MIT
Harvard


we had a NY TIMES best selling author in my class
an HBO and TONITE SHOW appearing stand up comic
many other great things came out of my school.


Now they have guards and stabbings....

Well, y'all know I'm pro-immigration, but I am also very much ANTI-compulsory education. I think the direction public education has gone in the last 20 years is really sick and sad. Eliminating competition among peers, binding teachers hands to enforce discipline, the whole PC agenda in action is really sad ~ as is disallowing religious discussion of ANY kind, or worship should they chose to do so. It's sickening. And most of the time, its babysitting.

I'm totally with ya, Poll, on being anti-nanny myself. I would much rather be home with my kids if I could. I am truly blessed to have the support of my parents and the only thing I can work towards at this point, is being able to provide the same for my own children when they have theirs... an option of teaching their children while they struggle to find a foothold in society, and helping them raise their children.

~phos

You or your parents homeschool your kids if I recall correctly. Ever heard of John Taylor Gatto?

No, sir, I have not.

My mother predominately home schools both my children. We all work together, however, for the over all welfare of their education. I work in the family business, having taken over my mothers position when she "retired" to home school my son, who has very high functioning Asperger's.

He went from a very disturbed, ANGRY child in 1st grade public to being a very well balanced, NORMAL 10 year old boy in 5th grade getting all 1s and 2s on his ATS tests. ;) BIG difference. My daughter started K a year early and is flying along way ahead of pace... she's been reading since she was about 3. Gone through all the Dick & Jane books, can read most Dr. Suess herself, and I frequently have her count to 100 while sitting and waiting for her gymnastics class (so she isn't ALL over the bleachers... LOL)

~phos

That's great how your kids are progressing. Shows what they can do with a little personalized attention.
John Taylor Gatto taught in the New York City public schools for over 20 years, winning city and state Teacher of the Year Awards. He then quit, saying he was tired of "hurting" children. He wrote a book, The Underground History of American Education, claims compulsory schooling was the pet project of corporate barons during post-Civil War industrialization. I've read a few chapters online, interesting stuff.

I'll have to check it out, Poll. Thanks for the heads up.

You know... sci-fi fiends that we are, you might enjoy David Feintuch's Midshipman's Hope series. In that series, set WAY into the future, compulsory education has been done away with and its a very interesting look at the socio-political ramifications. :eek: I actually enjoyed the entire series. One of the few I've read several times. Nick Seafort... :eek: OH wow...

~phos

Public education is a SAD state of affairs. My problem is, I never wanted to do anything other than teach, and I just can't deal with the burocracy of private schools. (currently suing the private school i was working at, they are withholding my last paycheck untill I chage the grades of four students who failed my class!! SORRY!! It's SO not my fault they were too busy getting high than to come to my class or do thier work! But their parents "didn't pay for them to fail")

The problem with public school is NOT the students and it's NOT the teachers!! It's a HORRIBLY corupt school district (remember the Belmont Learning Complex???) an ineffective government policy (Do NOT get me started on All Children Left Behind). But what absolutly irks me beyond anything else, is the fact that American's claim they value education, yet NOBODY wants to pay for it!!!
Okay so we do away with the school district and give the money directly to the schools. (yes, I do support charter schools!)

I don't mind paying my LOCAL taxes to go to things like public schools, transportation, etc. I resent the feds. ;)

I DO resent that I am paying for public education in a system I do not TRUST to teach my children and am STILL paying for it (no vouchers, no refunds, nothing) for keeping my kids OUT of the situation and OUT of the problem (My son has Asperger's... how well would he do in public school??? :eek: NOT well!) as well as paying good $$ to order curriculums from accredited schools, as well as advisory teaching services to help grade/test my children's progress to keep the state satisfied that they ARE progressing.

I feel like, not only am I let down by an inadequate system due to the PC agenda and the LAWSUIT environment where teachers simply CANNOT discipline the children, let alone teach them, without fearing lawsuits and loss of jobs. Where not only that, but it would be criminal for my child to be caught praying ~ NOT that they would (we're agnostic) ~ when maybe all they're praying for is a miracle that half the class would SHUT UP so they might actually HEAR the lesson... some kids DO want to learn.

It's so many factors, but compulsory education has turned into one of the worst failed experiments imaginable. :eek:
~phos

Okay so we do away with the school district and give the money directly to the schools. (yes, I do support charter schools!)
That's a good point. Small seems to be better when it comes to schooling. When it comes to public schools at least, alot of tax dollars are blown on administration costs (office buildings, superintendent's pay etc.).

I'm going to a forum on immigration tonight with John McCain and Ted Kennedy! This should be interesting to say the least?

Any questions you want me to ask about the best part of the Arizona/Mexico border to dash across?

(My son has Asperger's... how well would he do in public school??? :eek: NOT well!)
~phos


Actually... it really depends on where you are and state policies. But generally speaking public schools are usually the best place for children with special needs. Does your son have an IEP (Individual Education Plan)? If not, have one done and discuss with your local schools about the "least restrictive enviornment" for him. Sometimes the LRE is mainstreamed into a regular class, sometimes it's full on hospitalization. Whatever the LRE is, the school district HAS to pay for it!!!
Usually it means a special class or a special school (usually private) that knows how to deal with the disability. The moral of the story is, the federal government foots the bill!!

Besides, public schools do have resources and materials (one-on-one aides, ect) that the parents usually can't provide and private schools don't have the resources for.

I'm going to a forum on immigration tonight with John McCain and Ted Kennedy! This should be interesting to say the least?

Any questions you want me to ask about the best part of the Arizona/Mexico border to dash across?
Oh wow. Tell McCain to run, tell him he's the only one who can win it for the GOP in '08. Tell him to move right on immigration.
And buy Teddy a drink for me. I'll be charitable to the other side.

Does your son have an IEP (Individual Education Plan)?

Oh we went through this whole rigamarole and every "intervention" they tried to do made him and his outbursts/symptoms SO much worse it was SUCH a losing battle. They were shifting him around from P/T to O/T to SLP to the special ed class back into regular ed... ummm... if you understand Asperger's, thats about the WORST thing you can do. These kids do NOT switch gears easily. They need a very specific, very solid schedule. He would FREAK OUT if they did something else during "math" time. :eek: It was insanity. By the end of the school year, they wanted to send him to an "all-inclusive special ed" school and I about blew a gasket.

Pulled him out. My gut instinct was that if he was TREATED normally, and expected to ACT normally, he would rise to the occasion... with all these people telling him all the time there was something "wrong" with him, he got worse. I fired the psychiatrists (who all wanted to medicate him) and the psychologists who all thought they could "fix" him with enough therapies and just home schooled him (with my mothers help... )

If you met him now, you would not think there is anything wrong with him. Fact is, there really isn't. He's a little odd. Has some strange interests and some incredible talents, still is a bit sensitive (over) about switching gears into new things... and if you tell him you're going to do something "cool" that day, he will mental block badly and get NOTHING done. WE have learned to adapt to him in terms of providing an environment he flourishes in and we just don't tell him we're doing something cool... until we're about to, and then he's like "WHAT???" gets mad for a second, then processes how cool it will be and goes "COOL." LOL.

He's a grade ahead educationally. Maturity wise, a little behind, but all in all ~ he strikes me more as a typical 10 year old boy as any other! And I credit that to getting him OUT of a system that would have just sent him off with a bunch of other severely disabled kids to languish and come up with EXCUSES to being a failure. :eek:

~phos

Oh wow. Tell McCain to run, tell him he's the only one who can win it for the GOP in '08. Tell him to move right on immigration.
And buy Teddy a drink for me. I'll be charitable to the other side.

OK...so I got kicked out of the forum. There was limited space, so we had to give up our spots to some illegal immigrants.

I find that...ironic to say the least. LOL! Not that I really care, I'm a citizen, I have two passports (US and EU) and a real social security card and if you don't....HA HA!!! TOO BAD! Although if you look like me...$500 and the passport is yours.

Phos~ Sounds like you've done your research then. The problem I see here is kids in private schools that can't accomodate them, because their parents don't know about the resources available in public school.
I'm not all that familier with Aspergers. I do know that a school just opened up here in LA that caters to children with it.

I find that...ironic to say the least.
Heh.....yeah.
EDIT: Illegal immigrants at a forum with 2 Senators. Surely they had enough LEO there to haul a few away :rolleyes:

Charlie Rengel was there too. I don't really know who was legal and who wasn't. I'm sure it was a good mix of both. You gotta do something really bad, like committ a felony in NYC before you get referred to INS or anything.

Phos~ Sounds like you've done your research then. The problem I see here is kids in private schools that can't accomodate them, because their parents don't know about the resources available in public school.
I'm not all that familier with Aspergers. I do know that a school just opened up here in LA that caters to children with it.

Well, I couldn't have done it without the resources I do have... ;) MOM! :eek: Otherwise, I would have been stuck with the system, and we would have been screwed. Or I would have put him somewhere else and gone knee deep in debt!!! Actually, I would have done the later... that ONE year was absolutely one of the WORST years of my life!!! It's only gotten better since.

~phos

Actually... it really depends on where you are and state policies. But generally speaking public schools are usually the best place for children with special needs..

my son has autism and we've never had a problem with his school before. theyve been great as far as the IEP is concerned. he has improved quite a bit, gets alot of social interaction with other kids which is really important.

Open up the border - Clutch

Won't you open up the border
To rivers running green, green, green, green, green
I have kilo loads of plastic
To trade for pumpkins seeds, seeds, seeds, seeds, seeds
I know folks in Wichita as well as Santa Fe
All veterans of the trade
Alright!

Open it up, open it up, open it
Living for the trade

The merry wives of Windsor
I swapped for cans of Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam
While sipping fine darjeeling
With an English man, man, man, man, man
I know folks in Liverpool as well as in Bombay
All veterans of the trade