I have a confession

I like to torture men online...


I admit it

they are all stupid men. smart men are no fun.


they IM me on Yahoo

depending on if they are
young and stupid 9they want to fuck an older woman)
or foreign and stupid (and seeking a green card)
horny (ALL horny men are stupid AND RUDE)

etc

depends on HOW cruel I am.


the foreign men all profess undying love for me and they want to be my true best friend.

i delight in BEING TOTALLY HONEST AND NOT CARING ABOUT THEM. and seeing how long they come back for abuse. I have one guy he's been coming back for weekly abuse for over THREE YEARS.

I tell them

YOU know I don't care about you

and yet they presist.

they make it easy and fun,

I am a bitch.

hah.

I dont talk to anyone online except on this site.

I dont have any instant messengers except AIM, and I block everyone except my friends on my buddy list.

and chat rooms bore me... but i DO like the shoutbox.

Ditto to what Skibunny said 100% for me! :eek:
~phos

i do use use msn and yahoo...and it is mostly there where some guys usually talk to me,hah last one was like,is that your brother,your father you two look alike (refering to my pic with eric) i said no,he is my guy...he did not say anything else :D

i now i have my privacy options set so no one can talk to me other than those in my friends list :p

and oh foreign guys seeking for a green card... QQ that was one of my fears when we talk about letting everyone know where we are standing...you know, young girl looking for a better life in the US...sigh...if people knew how many times i wished he were somewhere in the European Union instead of the US so things were not so hard :(

and on topic...those guys you talk to wether they are emotionally mature or not,are supposed to be grown ups...if they enjoy being humiliated (sp) and are into that kind of stuff,kudos to you :D

who knows... mostly it's Indian men and they want to talk sex...

or cam.

i don't do either with strangers.

they will say "your so nice your so sweet your so compassionate" (exactly those words)

and I will say "no i'm not I'm a bitch" (exactly those words)

they will say HI how are you and i will say FINE thanks then they will say me too. and i will say I didnt' ask and I don't care.


WHY do they keep coming back.

cause for some people bad attention is better than no attention at all?i dont know really :)

or cause they know it is just a game where both of you have a role to follow?

no idea i have never been on either of both sides lol

and chat rooms bore me... but i DO like the shoutbox.

Why do you like the shoutbox better than a chat room?

My main reason for picking the shoutbox is because I can make it integrate completely into the site with the same color scheme, look, etc.

What can I say, I'm a girl and I like my stuff to match. :D

Why do you like the shoutbox better than a chat room?

My main reason for picking the shoutbox is because I can make it integrate completely into the site with the same color scheme, look, etc.

What can I say, I'm a girl and I like my stuff to match. :D


well technically the shoutbox IS a chatroom... but at least it doesnt take the effortof logging in.

And I sort of have some idea of who I am talking to. Going in and talking to people i know NOTHING about doesn't really get me off.

sometimes when im bored i like to "torture" them too, but mostly by saying im 12-15yrs old just to see how many perverts will IM me. its disturbing how many will really.. i actually told one to meet me at a mcdonalds nearby lol.. what a loser.

sometimes when im bored i like to "torture" them too, but mostly by saying im 12-15yrs old just to see how many perverts will IM me. its disturbing how many will really.. i actually told one to meet me at a mcdonalds nearby lol.. what a loser.

Brilliant! I should try that sometime. lol

I have a problem with Indian guys IMing me too, wanting to talk about sex, cyber, share cams (I don't even HAVE a cam) - none of which I'm interested in. They're generally pushy and rude and I've gotten to the point where I mess with them too. Ah well.

~Crysania

Brilliant! I should try that sometime. lol

I have a problem with Indian guys IMing me too, wanting to talk about sex, cyber, share cams (I don't even HAVE a cam) - none of which I'm interested in. They're generally pushy and rude and I've gotten to the point where I mess with them too. Ah well.

~Crysania

yay! i'm glad it's not just me.


and I TELL THEM I DON"T LIKE YOU and I will NEVER like you... it does not matter.

yay! i'm glad it's not just me.


and I TELL THEM I DON"T LIKE YOU and I will NEVER like you... it does not matter.

Nope. It doesn't. I tell them I have a boyfriend, that I'm in a serious relationship. I don't know them, like them, care about them. They act disappointed when I don't remember their name or profession or something and I just tell them I simply don't care enough. And yet they keep writing!

The worst are the ones who you basically tell to f*** off and they write everyday. Yeesh. Unfortunately, with yahoo, it seems like those I block in one session can write to me in the next one.

~Crysania

MY PROFILE says HAPPILY MARRIED. I have freaking pictures of my HUSBAND there. I tell them point blank I WORK WITH AND HATE INDIAN MEN.

they don't listen

i'm wonderful they tell me.



you know what scares me is if they get some poor lonely woman with low-self-esteem what havoc they could wreck on her.

MY PROFILE says HAPPILY MARRIED. I have freaking pictures of my HUSBAND there. I tell them point blank I WORK WITH AND HATE INDIAN MEN.

they don't listen

i'm wonderful they tell me.



you know what scares me is if they get some poor lonely woman with low-self-esteem what havoc they could wreck on her.

Oh man...my profile says, quite clearly, "Marital status: long-term relationship." They want more pics than the one I have on there, so I send them to my photo album with a TON of pictures of my boyfriend and I. I tell them I think Indian men are rude, pushy, and totally obnoxious. And you're right. They don't listen at all.

I do worry about the women with low self-esteem. I used to BE one of those, after my ex dumped me. And I actually did talk to them and lap up the attention...but as my self-esteem got better my patience with them went far away. Luckily, I snapped out of my lack of self-esteem fairly quickly.

~Crysania

Uhhh....this might sound mean....but I think you guys are stereotyping and it's kind of ugly.....

I've run into jerks of all ages, colors, sizes, shapes, ethnicities, religions.....

I used to get IMs and offlines from a 30-something guy in Turkey....constantly....he'd send me poetry that supposedly he had written. It was actually beautiful....and I'm sure he was sending it to tons of other women. So what? I finally just put him into ignore status....the one and only person I've ever done it to. A couple of years past....I was updating Messenger and took him out of ignore....well, he popped back up again. lol! I laughed and put him back in ignore.

Recently, I had an obnoxious 57-year-old Irish-Catholic right here in Rhode Island. He was rude, crude and totaling annoying. I kept saying "No" and he kept pursuing. Finally I said "I don't know how many other ways I can tell you 'No'. He got pissy and I haven't heard from him again.

You aren't going to save the world from jerks by playing games with them, Ladies. I love ya....but finding some perverse pleasure in attempting to humiliate a particular ethnic group may say more about you than it does about them.

Trish Darling,,,,I"m an Equal Opprotunity Abuser.

I torture any man stupid enough to show up on my computer.

it just happens that the bulk of them are from india.

Trish Darling,,,,I"m an Equal Opprotunity Abuser.

I torture any man stupid enough to show up on my computer.

it just happens that the bulk of them are from india.

I'm with Momma Nessa here...I do this to any stupid man, be he from India, the USA or some unknown country. And yes, the bulk of them really ARE from India. Everytime I get on yahoo some new guy from India is writing to me telling me how beautiful and wonderful I am (and then follows it up with "asl?" half the time...lol). I have talked to a LOT of men from India (and put them all on block) and I haven't met one who isn't pushy, obnoxious, and aggressive.

I HAVE met nice men from other parts of the world, including some countries not far from India and men from the Middle East. But for some reason, all the guys I talk to from India really ARE obnoxious twits.

And sadly, I do actually give each them a chance to NOT be like the rest I've met, but it never happens. After 5+ years of chatting, I'd say I've talked to a pretty large sample of men from that country and feel justified in making an assumption about the type of Indian man who is on the internet...perhaps they're not ALL like that, but the ones chatting on Yahoo and ICQ certainly are!

~Crysania

It's true. I give them a chance. Men from Africa are similar in content but not tenaciousness. The men from India (one of whom actually starts every IM he has with me with "greetings from India" just don't quit. No matter what I say to them.

I have to tell you, one of my best work friends is a lovely first generation american woman from an Indian home. She is Hindu. She has an arranged marriage (she loves her husband they grew to love each other very deeply). She is also brilliant, educated and HATES most Indian men. The ones that work under her (she is the team lead and very type A) disrespect her to her face. Behind her back they are even worse. They can't deal with a strong woman. MOST of her team is comprised of men who have moved here from India. She has a rough time trust me.

The point is that I can only speak of my experience and I would venture a guess that about 98% of all Indian men I've met online want to cam with me, or talk about sex with me. and most of them are past 30

I have a fewe YOUNG american men (read under 28) who want to do the same thing but they give up after one or two times of being told NO.

Indian men say... "my lovely beautiful Nessa, please turn on your cam so I can see you". UMMM NO. I don't cam with strangers. I tell them that over and over and over and EVERY DAY they come back and ask.

I am not rude to them but I am not kind. I do not ASK any questions nor do I care about what they say. but i don't put them on ignore unless they are abusive to me. But i tell them... NO i don't want to be your true best friend, no I don't care about you, NO i am not going to disucss sex with you.

and that goes for ANY slimey man who can't bother to read my profile and IMs me.

Well, I'll just say that making a generalization, or blanket statement, about any group of people is unfair and bigoted....but I won't change the way you think, so I won't even waste my time.....

Well, I'll just say that making a generalization, or blanket statement, about any group of people is unfair and bigoted....but I won't change the way you think, so I won't even waste my time.....

I was making a blanket statement about all the Indian men I've talked to online. How is that unfair? Or bigoted? I haven't had ONE good experience with any man from India who I've talked to online. That's a simple statement of fact. I'm far from bigoted and the fact that I cannot ever seem to find someone from India online who is not exactly as Momma Nessa and I described has actually surprised me.

I never said every man from India was like that - just the ones that seem to be online on yahoo and ICQ.

~Crysania

Momma...I like to do the same thing...sometimes...just the rude and stupid men who are only out for sex though....they p*** me off...lol...the shallow guys that is...

Momma...I like to do the same thing...sometimes...just the rude and stupid men who are only out for sex though....they p*** me off...lol...the shallow guys that is...

I have to admit, when I first got into chatting, I was so totally shocked that this was what so many guys came online to do! I was just looking for someone to pass the time with and get to know...and they were looking for cyber.

I found a lot of them don't even care I have a boyfriend and would be fine with me cheating, either online or offline. It was pretty horrifying!

~Crysania

I have to admit, when I first got into chatting, I was so totally shocked that this was what so many guys came online to do! I was just looking for someone to pass the time with and get to know...and they were looking for cyber.

I found a lot of them don't even care I have a boyfriend and would be fine with me cheating, either online or offline. It was pretty horrifying!

~Crysania

Alot of guys in those chats are jerks...I can't believe how many of them want me to go over to their house to have "fun"...:rolleyes:

I tell them I think Indian men are rude, pushy, and totally obnoxious. ~Crysania

That's a blanket statement....it's your opinion but it's still a generalization.....

How many Indian men have you chatted with?....I'd venture to say that in a country so large there must be hundreds of thousands of men online....maybe even a million or more. Have you talked to every single one of them? If you have, and they've all been "rude, pushy, and totally obnoxious" then I guess you could say it's true. But if you've only talked to, say 20...or even 100, then you're making a sweeping generalization.

Crysania....I'm not picking on you. I just get so annoyed when people make generalizations about an entire group of people based on their limited knowledge and interaction with them.

That's a blanket statement....it's your opinion but it's still a generalization.....

How many Indian men have you chatted with?....I'd venture to say that in a country so large there must be hundreds of thousands of men online....maybe even a million or more. Have you talked to every single one of them? If you have, and they've all been "rude, pushy, and totally obnoxious" then I guess you could say it's true. But if you've only talked to, say 20...or even 100, then you're making a sweeping generalization.

Crysania....I'm not picking on you. I just get so annoyed when people make generalizations about an entire group of people based on their limited knowledge and interaction with them.

You're right. That IS a generalization. But that's only what I tell the obnoxious ones to try to get them to leave me alone. That's not what I think...what I THINK is that every man I've ever met online from India has been that way (and I'm sure I've talked to hundreds over the past 5 or 6 years or so). I'd love for just one to actually be decent and not obnoxious and pushy...but so far I haven't met any. I've met some perfectly lovely people from India in real life (including a family who lived downstairs from me for a time)...but the ones I've met online have not been good people. I'm not sure why those types frequent yahoo and ICQ.

And besides - there's the whole random sampling thing. It's like having polls and the like to guage people's opinions. You can't poll EVERYONE, but if you get a good sample, you're probably going to be about right. I've talked to a large enough sample to say that the vast majority of men from India who frequent Yahoo and ICQ are pushy. Are they all? Probably not...but certainly a lot are.

~Crysania

That's a blanket statement....it's your opinion but it's still a generalization.....

How many Indian men have you chatted with?....I'd venture to say that in a country so large there must be hundreds of thousands of men online....maybe even a million or more. Have you talked to every single one of them? If you have, and they've all been "rude, pushy, and totally obnoxious" then I guess you could say it's true. But if you've only talked to, say 20...or even 100, then you're making a sweeping generalization.

Crysania....I'm not picking on you. I just get so annoyed when people make generalizations about an entire group of people based on their limited knowledge and interaction with them.

Guys from India right? Yeh...I know what she's talking about..most of the guys from India that I talk to are very annoying. I'll be talking to one for like 5 minutes then they'll say "I love you, I want to get married to you.." And I'll say.. "Umm...I only talked to you for 5 minutes." Then they're like "But I love you, I want to marry you...pplllleeaaasse." *roll eyes* I mean...even if it's a guy from here, I would think it's pathatic...saying to someone that you love them from just 5 minutes of talking to them.

Guys from India right? Yeh...I know what she's talking about..most of the guys from India that I talk to are very annoying. I'll be talking to one for like 5 minutes then they'll say "I love you, I want to get married to you.." And I'll say.. "Umm...I only talked to you for 5 minutes." Then they're like "But I love you, I want to marry you...pplllleeaaasse." *roll eyes* I mean...even if it's a guy from here, I would think it's pathatic...saying to someone that you love them from just 5 minutes of talking to them.

Yep...I've had that too. They write "i luv u." And send me those little roses things...and want to marry me. I get the impression that some of the ones there are looking for an easy buy into the USA because often after I laugh at that, they start asking me about visas and the like.

It's very very strange.

~Crysania

Yep...I've had that too. They write "i luv u." And send me those little roses things...and want to marry me. I get the impression that some of the ones there are looking for an easy buy into the USA because often after I laugh at that, they start asking me about visas and the like.

It's very very strange.

~Crysania


hah..must be a pretty crudy place to live...now I feel a little bad...just a little

Guys from India right? Yeh...I know what she's talking about..most of the guys from India that I talk to are very annoying. I'll be talking to one for like 5 minutes then they'll say "I love you, I want to get married to you.." And I'll say.. "Umm...I only talked to you for 5 minutes." Then they're like "But I love you, I want to marry you...pplllleeaaasse." *roll eyes* I mean...even if it's a guy from here, I would think it's pathatic...saying to someone that you love them from just 5 minutes of talking to them.



EXACTLY. It does not matter where the man is from but if he does the I LOVE YOU I WANT TO MARRY YOU after 5 minutes it's offensive and annoying.

and again it's IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that I speak of.

I'm sure there are LOTS of nice, intelligent Indian men who ARE on Yahoo, ICQ, etc. but you just haven't had the pleasure of meeting them yet. ;)

Besides, if we start making generalizations, then men from India must think that ALL American women are tough cookies like Nessa :eek: and we know that's not true 'cause look at me--I'm such a sweet little puff ball! :D

Trish,

You are physically beautiful and you have a beautiful heart!

Now, I know why so many people love you. I love you too. You are right. Statements made by both ladies were stupid and lacked good judgement.

Let us ignore this thread. I do not want to see you stressed over these stupid posts. I have niether time nor energy to debate with idiots over the internet. It is not worth it.

Thank you Emzak! You made your point very intelligently.

I think American women are very sexy, sweet, intelligent and classy. I guess this is just a stereotype but those are the only ones I got to meet. :)

I'm sure there are LOTS of nice, intelligent Indian men who ARE on Yahoo, ICQ, etc. but you just haven't had the pleasure of meeting them yet. ;)

Well, I have....and you're right! :p ;)

Trish,

You are physically beautiful and you have a beautiful heart!

Now, I know why so many people love you. I love you too. You are right. Statements made by both ladies were stupid and lacked good judgement.

Let us ignore this thread. I do not want to see you stressed over these stupid posts. I have niether time nor energy to debate with idiots over the internet. It is not worth it.

Thank you..... http://bestsmileys.com/love2/11.gif

I'm sure there are LOTS of nice, intelligent Indian men who ARE on Yahoo, ICQ, etc. but you just haven't had the pleasure of meeting them yet. ;)

Besides, if we start making generalizations, then men from India must think that ALL American women are tough cookies like Nessa :eek: and we know that's not true 'cause look at me--I'm such a sweet little puff ball! :D

Which is why, as I keep saying, I'm speaking of MY experiences here only. I have yet to talk to one Indian man on yahoo or ICQ who was something other than the type I've talked about. Perhaps they're out there, but I'm just not meeting them at ALL. Everytime I get into chat, which is probably a few times a week, I get someone from India writing to me and every one of them has been rude and pushy. That's my experience. There's no bigotry there, it's just a simple statement of fact.

I CAN generalize my OWN experiences, can't I? Or am I not even allowed to state my experiences?

I really REALLY do not like people thinking I'm bigoted in some way - because I'm not. Everytime someone from India writes to me, I talk to them, I give them a chance (in fact, I once had a very long conversation with a lovely woman from India)...I've had conversations that have been fine for a time but then sex comes up, I say I don't want to talk about that subject, and most of them get very pushy and often rude. And then it gets bad. I never expect it to turn out that way and I always hope someone will be a person I enjoy talking to...but in MY experience...mine...not everyone's, not the world's, not a generalization, not a bigoted statement, in MY experience, every man I've talked to online from India has been rude. I'm truly an open-minded person...and I'm sorry everyone has this bad impression of me. :(

~Crysania

Trish,

You are physically beautiful and you have a beautiful heart!

Now, I know why so many people love you. I love you too. You are right. Statements made by both ladies were stupid and lacked good judgement.

Let us ignore this thread. I do not want to see you stressed over these stupid posts. I have niether time nor energy to debate with idiots over the internet. It is not worth it.

I'm sorry but could you explain how stating our experiences equates to lack of good judgement? I'm just not seeing this.

And talk about the pot calling the kettle black there - we state our experiences and you call us idiots. Hmmm...

~Crysania

Crysania's right. We're not stereotyping that all men from India are pushy and annoying, we're saying that the ones we met are pushy and annoying. I'm sure that not all of them are like that, we just haven't met them yet. I'm sure that there's nice and charming Indian men out there who are hiding. Now that I remember, when I was first starting on the internet and chatting, I had a net relationship with a very charming Indian man...and he was not pushy or rude like most of the men from India that I've chatted too. (notice that I said I CHATTED too, NOT all men from India.)

I'm sorry if I came off bigoity, I'm not. In fact I do respect different cultures and races. I have a cousin who is African American and another who is Hispanic. I also have friends who are Native American, African American, Hispanic, etc.

I'm sorry if I came off bigoity, I'm not. In fact I do respect different cultures and races. I have a cousin who is African American and another who is Hispanic. I also have friends who are Native American, African American, Hispanic, etc.

I have to admit, it drives me crazy and hurts a little bit that someone twists your own experiences and calls you bigoted because you state what those experiences have been. I've had people tell me everyone they met from NY was a rude asshole - and that's ok because it's their experience...I just hope someone proves them wrong someday.

I have friends from all sorts of ethnicities and cultures too - I also have many many close friends who are gay, bisexual, and lesbians. I have freinds who are from many different religions, or from no religion at all. I don't dislike people based on their ethnicity, skin colour, sexual orientation, religion. etc. I dislike them based on WHO they are individually.

Like I stated before, I think...I've had men who lived not more than 10 miles from my house be very rude and pushy as well...but at the same time, I HAVE talked to many American men (and English, Irish, Australian, French, Austrian, Italian, etc.) who have been wonderfully fun to chat with. I've always been amazed that over the many years I've chatted, I can't seem to find a guy from India who isn't rude. I'm not sure why this is. And still...it's nothing more than MY personal experience.

~Crysania

I'm sure that there's nice and charming Indian men out there who are hiding.

No, no, not hiding. We have one right here on MTaG--our very own Mr. Flanker!!! :D

I do not think it's right to generalize, even if it IS based onyour experiences.

I personally don't like the generalization that, because I am dating someone older, I am a golddigging sexpot... but people assume so because they've known of other people like that.

Why should we all take the hit because someone gives us a bad name?

I do not think it's right to generalize, even if it IS based onyour experiences.

I personally don't like the generalization that, because I am dating someone older, I am a golddigging sexpot... but people assume so because they've known of other people like that.

Why should we all take the hit because someone gives us a bad name?

But we're NOT making generalizations about all of anything. We're stating our experiences and what those have been.

If someone said "every woman I know who is in a relationship with a much older guy is a gold digger" how can you negate that? It's their experience. They're not saying anything about you unless they take out that it's just the people they've met. If you take offense to that and make it about you, then perhaps that's your problem, not the other person's.

I'm not making generalities about anyone - I'm stating my experiences. I can't say "in my experience, every Indian man I've talked to has been great!" No one would have problems with that, would they? Unfortunately, though, it's simply not true. So why is it ok to state positive experiences with a group of people, but not a negative one?

~Crysania

No, no, not hiding. We have one right here on MTaG--our very own Mr. Flanker!!! :D

You mean the really nice guy who called us idiots? Hmmmm...

~Crysania

You mean the really nice guy who called us idiots? Hmmmm...

~Crysania


Well Flanker's one of the nicest internet people I know... who probably doesn't think ANYONE deserves to be tortured.... :cool:

Well Flanker's one of the nicest internet people I know... who probably doesn't think ANYONE deserves to be tortured.... :cool:

*shrugs* I don't think calling people idiots is very nice. Generalizing a couple people based on his obviously wrong interpretations of our posts is a pretty rotten thing to do.

Well Flanker's one of the nicest internet people I know
No kidding, dude won't even eat meat.
*wolfs down hamburger*

*shrugs* I don't think calling people idiots is very nice.


You apparently have no problem using the term 'moron' - :rolleyes:

now do you? :eek:

You apparently have no problem using the term 'moron' - :rolleyes:

now do you? :eek:

When the shoe fits. You're rude and I have no respect for rudeness.

There's a difference. I made a statement about my experiences and get called an idiot because of it. I don't think that's quite right. One cannot be an idiot just for stating their own personal experiences.

There's a difference. I made a statement about my experiences and get called an idiot because of it. I don't think that's quite fair.

Maybe not. But when we make a comment about someone's race or ethnicity, whether it's based on our own experiences or societal stereotypes or whatever, it's a sensitive topic so things can heat up pretty quickly.

Maybe not. But when we make a comment about someone's race or ethnicity, whether it's based on our own experiences or societal stereotypes or whatever, it's a sensitive topic so things can heat up pretty quickly.

I agree - but I really think people should understand that one's experiences are their own. It doesn't make one an idiot, it doesn't make one a bigot. It just is what it is. Am I really the only one who thinks this? Do people REALLY think I'm bigoted because really...that's fucking hilarious. I'm far from bigoted...

But hell, no one seems to care about that...I'm just an idiot and a bigot. Things I've NEVER been called in my entire life. Frankly, I'm rather offended.

~Crysania

When the shoe fits. You're rude and I have no respect for rudeness.

There's a difference. I made a statement about my experiences and get called an idiot because of it. I don't think that's quite right. One cannot be an idiot just for stating their own personal experiences.

Relating one's personal experiences is not synonomous with being an idiot - I agree... but that too does not prove the lack of idiocy. :eek:

Okay... it's okay to generalize an entire group based on few experiences? Check.

It's okay to call someone else rude, and yet call them a moron? Check.

It's okay to be offended, but someone else can't be? Check.

Glad we got that list out of the way! :eek:

~phos

Relating one's personal experiences is not synonomous with being an idiot - I agree... but that too does not prove the lack of idiocy. :eek:

Just lay off it Salt. I don't like you and I have no interest in continuing to converse with you.

*sigh* Ok ok I get the point. I'm a horrible person. I'll just retire to some other corner of the internet since everytime I say ANYTHING here people hate me because of it. :(

I'm so glad you all think I'm shit.

I agree - but I really think people should understand that one's experiences are their own. It doesn't make one an idiot, it doesn't make one a bigot. It just is what it is. Am I really the only one who thinks this? Do people REALLY think I'm bigoted because really...that's fucking hilarious. I'm far from bigoted...

But hell, no one seems to care about that...I'm just an idiot and a bigot. Things I've NEVER been called in my entire life. Frankly, I'm rather offended.

~Crysania

Yes but maybe HE was offended because, despite what you may have MEANT, it came across as generalizing and MOCKING a certain type of people.

You can say what you want, but so can anyone else. I think we sometimes, maybe OFTEN, have to deal with the fact that not everyone will agree with everyone else... HENCE, the DEBATE section.

:eek: No one thinks you're shit! :p Quite contrary. It's entertaining watching you debate... even if you do decide based on those debates to not like the people who disagree with you. :eek:

One of the coolest things about people who choose to be friends is agreeing to disagree on points and not taking those points to be the whole of that person. I quite enjoy many of your posts. BUT, you need to lighten up a little.

~phos

Just lay off it Salt. I don't like you and I have no interest in continuing to converse with you.

:eek: ;) ;) :rolleyes:

Also... Salt is VERY different otside of this section. Cool and mellow, so I've noticed... The Debate section gets him pretty riled up! :)

:eek: No one thinks you're shit! :p Quite contrary. It's entertaining watching you debate... even if you do decide based on those debates to not like the people who disagree with you. :eek:

One of the coolest things about people who choose to be friends is agreeing to disagree on points and not taking those points to be the whole of that person. I quite enjoy many of your posts. BUT, you need to lighten up a little.

~phos

You want me to lighten up when I've been called a bigot? And worse? Sorry...I just don't like being at a place where people think such things of me. I pride myself on being openminded and being friends with people of many ethnicities and from all walks of life. Yet I come here, make a comment on my experiences, and I'm called a bigot. I go to another thread, comment on something, and I'm cursed at and worse. So far this hasn't been a place that seems to be a good place to be forthcoming about information about yourself. Right now I feel like shit.

*sigh* Ok ok I get the point. I'm a horrible person. I'll just retire to some other corner of the internet since everytime I say ANYTHING here people hate me because of it. :(

I'm so glad you all think I'm shit.

No, you are not shit. But you do rationalize via emotion; your feelings. My own opinion is that you do not think things through.

jmo

Also... Salt is VERY different otside of this section. Cool and mellow, so I've noticed... The Debate section gets him pretty riled up! :)

Not the section, but the nature of the topic. :)

Okay. Where in any of that did anyone use the word bigot? :eek:

Come on! How can you jump from making generalizations to being called a bigot? :rolleyes:

Me thinks you feel like shit because you are taking things WAY too seriously. And skibunny is right about Salt. You've called him names first. You've attacked him personally and then said you don't like him. And get bent out of shape because people disagree with you?

I definitely think you're taking this JUST a wee bit too seriously and personally which isn't healthy.

But, if you must equate someone's disagreement with your stance on something as a disagreement with you as a person, so be it. Maybe the debate forum isn't the right place. But, you'll still find plenty of support elsewhere.

~phos

Well, I'll just say that making a generalization, or blanket statement, about any group of people is unfair and bigoted....but I won't change the way you think, so I won't even waste my time.....


This is the only post in this entire thread besides yours that mentions the word bigot. No where does she say YOU are a bigot. She says that generalizing about a certain group is unfair and bigoted. She didn't say that's what YOU did, she was making a statement, which I think is true.

No, you are not shit. But you do rationalize via emotion; your feelings. My own opinion is that you do not think things through.

jmo

Which proves you know nothing about me. But this is not a surprise.

Statements made by both ladies were stupid and lacked good judgement.

I do not want to see you stressed over these stupid posts.

These quotes address the posts, not the people. Please note.

I have niether time nor energy to debate with idiots over the internet. It is not worth it.

Maybe Flanker was a bit insensitive here, but hey... he's asian (and a really GREAT guy, freakin' gorgeous, too... ;) ) and took this personally. Honestly, I don't blame him.

But yeah... no one but YOU called you a bigot.

~phos

bigot

n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own


we all have a little bigot in us, it appears!

These quotes address the posts, not the people. Please note.



Maybe Flanker was a bit insensitive here, but hey... he's asian (and a really GREAT guy, freakin' gorgeous, too... ;) ) and took this personally. Honestly, I don't blame him.

But yeah... no one but YOU called you a bigot.

~phos

This is a logic thing here. It was stated I was making generalizations...and that making generalizations make you bigoted. Therefore since I was making generalizations I was bigoted. Maybe that was not the connection someone intended but that was sure what I got out of it.

I just need to leave this place. All the attacks are getting to be too much for me. I'm sorry I've cluttered up this place with my posts.

Ahhhh... what a shame. I guess healthy discussion of a logical nature taking issue with points made and/or reactions to said points ARE taken personally. :eek: Alas.
~phos

Which proves you know nothing about me. But this is not a surprise.

I just need to leave this place. All the attacks are getting to be too much for me. I'm sorry I've cluttered up this place with my posts.

Not an attack, just an observation. If I were to attack in that vein I'd say "Your an emotional idiot - go to your room"...

And what I know of your opinions, and imo how you derive them, I gleen from your posts. I know nothing about you personally at all.

Ahhhh... what a shame. I guess healthy discussion of a logical nature taking issue with points made and/or reactions to said points ARE taken personally. :eek: Alas.
~phos

How is this a healthy discussion? Yes I take it personally - I feel like everyone here is ganging up on me to take me down.

Maybe people aren't - but it sure feels that way.

This is a logic thing here.

I believe it was more a reactionary thing and drawing a conclusion where there was none to be drawn...

Skibunny is right... there is a little bigot in everybody. ;)

It was stated I was making generalizations...and that making generalizations make you bigoted.

Again, no one said making generalizations makes you a bigot. That is your own conclusion. No one attacked you and called you a bigot. Please try not to be offended by someone thinking your remarks were generalizations (many remarks in the beginning of this thread were... based on a few limited experiences... )

Therefore since I was making generalizations I was bigoted. Maybe that was not the connection someone intended but that was sure what I got out of it.

Try not to read between the lines. ;) It helps. :D
~phos

This is a logic thing here. It was stated I was making generalizations...and that making generalizations make you bigoted. Therefore since I was making generalizations I was bigoted. Maybe that was not the connection someone intended but that was sure what I got out of it.

You fell prey to a fallacious argument.

1. X generalises
2. generalizing = bigotry
3. X is a bigot

#2 does not prove that generalizing equates to bigotry. It is pure presumption.
Therefore even if #1 is true, #3 is not proven

Not an attack, just an observation. If I were to attack in that vein I'd say "Your an emotional idiot - go to your room"...

And what I know of your opinions, and imo how you derive them, I gleen from your posts. I know nothing about you personally at all.

Yes. Attacks. In fact, I noticed you didn't jump in until you said something to me personally that wasn't even entirely related to the thread.

And you're right. You don't know me...at all...you don't know how I derive my opinions. I've spent a lot of time analyzing my opinions and thinking about things. I think about both sides of the issues and I decide where my stance is.

How is this a healthy discussion? Yes I take it personally - I feel like everyone here is ganging up on me to take me down.

Maybe people aren't - but it sure feels that way.

YES! (((HUGS Crysania))) You just got to the crux of the problem. Maybe we need to label this forum "Debate: Leave your emotions at the door" or something... because we're actually trying to CLARIFY, not bring you down.

I don't want to see you hurt. I have no desire to see you get angry and storm off. I certainly wouldn't want to lose you from the entire forum (ie. making generalizations about the entire membership of this board not participating in this forum presently) and deprive others of your GOOD experiences and support elsewhere.

In debate, we try to clarify points. Sometimes it feels like people are attacking YOU, but they are not. They are trying to show how your points might be flawed. And hear how you might think our points are flawed. IF we address the points and clarify and buttheads on them until we come to a common understanding, we are all improved. :D

But feelings need to be checked in the rooms above the line... ;)
~phos

I believe it was more a reactionary thing and drawing a conclusion where there was none to be drawn...

Skibunny is right... there is a little bigot in everybody. ;)



Again, no one said making generalizations makes you a bigot. That is your own conclusion. No one attacked you and called you a bigot. Please try not to be offended by someone thinking your remarks were generalizations (many remarks in the beginning of this thread were... based on a few limited experiences... )



Try not to read between the lines. ;) It helps. :D
~phos

I feel like I'm reading a totally different set of posts than you guys are.

And my entire job IS to read between the lines (of music at least). That's what I'm good at.

I feel like I'm reading a totally different set of posts than you guys are.

And my entire job IS to read between the lines (of music at least). That's what I'm good at.

That's okay! Everyone interprets things differently... and reading between the lines in music is one of the true arts, but in debate, it is your biggest nemesis. :D Honestly, I'd hate to see you leave the entire forum thinking the entire membership was ganging up on you... ;) You're a pretty cool person and I enjoy your opinions... personally.

~phos

YES! (((HUGS Crysania))) You just got to the crux of the problem. Maybe we need to label this forum "Debate: Leave your emotions at the door" or something... because we're actually trying to CLARIFY, not bring you down.

I don't want to see you hurt. I have no desire to see you get angry and storm off. I certainly wouldn't want to lose you from the entire forum (ie. making generalizations about the entire membership of this board not participating in this forum presently) and deprive others of your GOOD experiences and support elsewhere.

In debate, we try to clarify points. Sometimes it feels like people are attacking YOU, but they are not. They are trying to show how your points might be flawed. And hear how you might think our points are flawed. IF we address the points and clarify and buttheads on them until we come to a common understanding, we are all improved. :D

But feelings need to be checked in the rooms above the line... ;)
~phos

Yes but I'd like to point out that this thread was NOT in the debate section at first. It got moved there. It was started in the chit chat forum. I wasn't intending to debate. I was intending to state my experiences at that they were similar to the original poster's experiences.

I DO feel very attacked - I don't like feeling that way. It seems I rile people up for some reason and I don't understand why. I just wanted to state my experiences and leave it at that...instead I get attacked.

A few quotes, directed at the few of us who stated our experience:

"Uhhh....this might sound mean....but I think you guys are stereotyping and it's kind of ugly....."

"Well, I'll just say that making a generalization, or blanket statement, about any group of people is unfair and bigoted...." This one has already been quoted, I believe...and people are stating this was not directed at me, or the others. I'm sorry, but I think it was.

Etc. etc. etc.

Again, I still feel like I'm reading a totally different set of posts. I find it interesting that people can quote someone, direct something to them, but not being attacking that particular person (or group of people). Maybe I just perceive things rather differently. Maybe my blood sugar is low. Maybe I really AM an idiot. *shrugs*

That's okay! Everyone interprets things differently... and reading between the lines in music is one of the true arts, but in debate, it is your biggest nemesis. :D Honestly, I'd hate to see you leave the entire forum thinking the entire membership was ganging up on you... ;) You're a pretty cool person and I enjoy your opinions... personally.

~phos

I dunno...it just worries me that most of the time I seem to write something, even when I consider it to just be an innocent comment, someone jumps on me. So far I've seen some pretty cool people here, but I'm not good at dealing with attacks.

I don't think everyone is ganging up on me - just a few people who seem to have decided I'm the scape goat here and seem to be enjoying tearing me apart and telling me how I think and what I feel. Not pretty.

It is my PERSONAL opinion that when entering a topic like this (which, admittedly, did NOT start in the debate section), things like NAMES people call you out of heated emotions that they feel due to sensitive topics should be ignored and not taken offense to.

Those whoARE easily offended or those who may not be able to tolerate other people's harsh or emotional opinions may need to take a breather from this type of discussion.

I feel like I'm reading a totally different set of posts than you guys are.



Nope. Again, imo, you're just being emotional where emotion does not serve you well.

Do note that emotion and passion about something are not synonomous. I am very passionate about some things. Some people mistake it for emotion.

But emotion in any form in debate is death to a debater. The moment emotion enters and is not immediately recognized and checked, the debater has lost as there is nowhere to go but down in flames.

jmo

:eek: Nah... you're not an idiot. But, I think this was moved to this forum because the thread did give room for debate ~ but I do recognize it was in chitchat to begin with. But then the debate began. ;)

But.. ah... there were a bunch of other people who posted, too. So the finger wasn't pointed at you. And still, no one has actually called you a bigot.

BUT, do you deny there were generalizations which someone of that race might feel a little offended by? (PLEASE note the use of the word generalization... ;) ) And if you do recognize that someone might be offended by that, why take issue with their reaction?

Just curious. Not trying to smack ya over the head or run you off or insult you or anything. HONEST. :D

~phos

It is my PERSONAL opinion that when entering a topic like this (which, admittedly, did NOT start in the debate section), things like NAMES people call you out of heated emotions that they feel due to sensitive topics should be ignored and not taken offense to.

Those whoARE easily offended or those who may not be able to tolerate other people's harsh or emotional opinions may need to take a breather from this type of discussion.

I was just trying to make a simple statement about my experiences. I didn't expect it to turn into some "debate."

Ultimately, I just need to leave this alone. You guys can think whatever you want of me, however erroneous it might be.

I dunno...it just worries me that most of the time I seem to write something, even when I consider it to just be an innocent comment, someone jumps on me.

Like I stated, the bigot statement was not specifically generated towards you.

BUT, I think this section lets people-who LIKE to argue and DO disagree with others-JUMP when instiagted.

Yesterday Moon and I were disagreeing in the smoking topic too.

But I knew I was right and she was wrong and that's all the matters.

Just remember that I'm always right and we will all be ok!

I was just trying to make a simple statement about my experiences. I didn't expect it to turn into some "debate."

Ultimately, I just need to leave this alone. You guys can think whatever you want of me, however erroneous it might be.


I don't think anything negatively about you, nor do I anyone else on this site.

I think it will ultimately turn into a debate when a race is brought in and talked about, especially a race someone else here belongs to. It DOES open itself up to sensitivities.

Yesterday Moon and I were disagreeing in the smoking topic too.

But I knew I was right and she was wrong and that's all the matters.




hehehe .... :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:

hehehe .... :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:


What, do you have a problem with that? Woot woot, ya wanna take this outside, big guy? You think you're so tough? I seen your picture, you don't look so tough. Go take a long walk off a short cliff. BOOOYAH

Yesterday Moon and I were disagreeing in the smoking topic too.

But I knew I was right and she was wrong and that's all the matters.

Just remember that I'm always right and we will all be ok!

You wish. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-022.gif http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-015.gif

You do make a good point. Sometimes when debates get too emotional you have to just say to yourself "you know what - I know that what I believe is right for me, so I'm just going to agree to disagree"

Go take a long walk off a short cliff. BOOOYAH

This remnds me of when I was counting the slits between the slats on the pier.... one, two, three, ... fifty six, fifty seven - splash.....

well.........

when I ran out of slits, I ran out of pier :rolleyes:

*sigh* Ok ok I get the point. I'm a horrible person. I'll just retire to some other corner of the internet since everytime I say ANYTHING here people hate me because of it. :(

I'm so glad you all think I'm shit.

Who?? Who here DARES to call you shit?? Tell me and I'll beat the hell out of them! Salt, gimme your S&W!!! And no, don't you dare go anywhere because I like you and we NEED more musicians on this board, dammit! :)

Also... Salt is VERY different otside of this section. Cool and mellow, so I've noticed... The Debate section gets him pretty riled up! :)

I know. It's kinda scary actually--he's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde! ;)

Who?? Who here DARES to call you shit?? Tell me and I'll beat the hell out of them! Salt, gimme your S&W!!! And no, don't you dare go anywhere because I like you and we NEED more musicians on this board, dammit! :)

No one called me shit...I just feel like it.

lol

Anyway - we should start more music topic someplace. I LOVE talking about music!

~Crysania

That's a blanket statement....it's your opinion but it's still a generalization.....

How many Indian men have you chatted with?....I'd venture to say that in a country so large there must be hundreds of thousands of men online....maybe even a million or more. Have you talked to every single one of them? If you have, and they've all been "rude, pushy, and totally obnoxious" then I guess you could say it's true. But if you've only talked to, say 20...or even 100, then you're making a sweeping generalization.

Crysania....I'm not picking on you. I just get so annoyed when people make generalizations about an entire group of people based on their limited knowledge and interaction with them.

Here's where I said I wasn't picking on you....you seem like a nice person. Honestly, until yesterday, I hadn't read much of what you've written here. My complaint was with the generalizations that both you AND Nessa were making. I was attacking what you were saying. I was NOT attacking you. Maybe Flanker will talk to you and then you'll be able to say that you've spoken to an intelligent, kind, considerate (smokin' hot :p ;) ....which is totally MY opinion) Indian man on the internet. :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

This topic sure got heated....

I don't think we're trying to generalize anybody...I was just talking about my own exsperince...I'm sorry once again..:( If I hurt anyone or made anyone piss off....

When do we all hold hands and sing "we are the world"?

Here's where I said I wasn't picking on you....you seem like a nice person. Honestly, until yesterday, I hadn't read much of what you've written here. My complaint was with the generalizations that both you AND Nessa were making. I was attacking what you were saying. I was NOT attacking you. Maybe Flanker will talk to you and then you'll be able to say that you've spoken to an intelligent, kind, considerate (smokin' hot :p ;) ....which is totally MY opinion) Indian man on the internet. :D


Like I said, I wasn't trying to generalize anybody...I didn't say that everyone in India is like that, or every Indian...and once again, I appoligize that I miss typed what I was trying to say.

When do we all hold hands and sing "we are the world"?
Hopefully never. Way too schmaltzy

When do we all hold hands and sing "we are the world"?

LOL!!!!
http://www.bicworld.com/inter_en/lighters/limited/img/sport/main.jpg

*passing out the lighters*

Flankers from India . . . oooohyeeee . . . well when you gonna' have us over for dinner? I LOVE Indian food!!! :D

I find this pretty cool. Analyzing Flanker. He's from Indian, looks like a hot latin american guy :eek: and talks like a DIE HARD American.

:cool:

Trish, ya got good taste. ;)
~phos

I find this pretty cool. Analyzing Flanker. He's from Indian, looks like a hot latin american guy :eek: and talks like a DIE HARD American.

:cool:

Trish, ya got good taste. ;)
~phos

And I taste good, too.....(sorry, I couldn't resist saying that...lol!)

It keeps improving as I get older!!!!! My taste, I mean.... :p ;)

:eek:

http://kimequalskim.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nicknkrissie.jpg

ROFLAO
~phos

:eek:

http://kimequalskim.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nicknkrissie.jpg

ROFLAO
~phos


no workie.

no workie.

Funny, you're quote worked. ROFLAO.
~phos

My taste in men!!!!!!!!!!

Sheesh!!! Don't make me get in trouble like I did at that other place, Fos!!!! :D :p ;)

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif

ok well neither the pic nor my quote is showing up on MY computer.

Darling... anyone causes you trouble, I will hog tie 'em and put them out in a pit to roast, ya hear? :eek: In fact... I'd look like THIS and no one wants me to look like THIS damnit!!!!

http://www.samsproductions.com/minivandad72/Blog%20Images/humor/angry_cat.jpg

Skibunny, smack your monitor or something ~ or just check it out when you get home? LOL.

~phos

Darling... anyone causes you trouble, I will hog tie 'em and put them out in a pit to roast, ya hear? :eek: In fact... I'd look like THIS and no one wants me to look like THIS damnit!!!!

http://www.samsproductions.com/minivandad72/Blog%20Images/humor/angry_cat.jpg

Skibunny, smack your monitor or something ~ or just check it out when you get home? LOL.

~phos


THAT picture I see.

I AM home... :( and I am off to take my NAP. AND ITS MY FRIDAY!!! *****************happy dance*****************

It keeps improving as I get older!!!!! My taste, I mean.... :p ;)
Mmmmmm humans. Taste like pork

Mmmmmm humans. Taste like pork

Not this human....
I'm hot and spicy...... :D :p ;)

God, it's a good thing I only have two days off a week and no computer access at work....lol!

chili hot or jalapeno hot? ;)

chili hot or jalapeno hot? ;)

Tepin hot..... :D :p ;)

I just got an IM that informed me that some of you ladies/gents fought for my honor.

<Bowing to show my gratitude>

Well, it does hurt when someone takes a pot shot at your race. If these ladies had come out and said Flanker you are unattractive, uneducated and classless, it would not have hurt that much. But when they put down all 2 million Indians living in America or 1 billion of them in India, it hurts because I know for fact that Indians are one of the kindest groups of people, I have ever seen. But, there are good and bad apples in every tree.

I am used to of it. All my life, people had been telling me that I am no good because of my skin or my Asian culture. In my younger days, I used to get demoralized. Then I came across Gandhi’s quote: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win.

Now, I know what my life is all about. First they ignore me. When that does not work, they laugh at me. When that does not work, they fight me and then I kick their ass (symbolic).

I have heard worse things said about us Indians. I would not say that it does not hurt because it does. But if these ladies had not said those mean things then how would I have found out that we have so many wonderful people on this forum?

I find this pretty cool. Analyzing Flanker. He's from Indian, looks like a hot latin american guy :eek: and talks like a DIE HARD American.

:cool:

Trish, ya got good taste. ;)
~phos

When do I get to see the full report of your analysis? :D

Flankers from India . . . oooohyeeee . . . well when you gonna' have us over for dinner? I LOVE Indian food!!! :D

Come on over any time!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Just keep in mind I am very pushy and rude and obnoxious. :D

I don't think anything negatively about you, nor do I anyone else on this site.

I think it will ultimately turn into a debate when a race is brought in and talked about, especially a race someone else here belongs to. It DOES open itself up to sensitivities.

That was compact and yet very powerful post. Very nicely said!!!!!!!!!

But when they put down all 2 million Indians living in America or 1 billion of them in India

Well, to be fair, she was only referring to the ones she personally spoke with on IM. But yeah, I can see what you mean. ;)

You're cool Flanks

No kidding, dude won't even eat meat.
*wolfs down hamburger*

Yes, I just cannot bring the thought of killing an animal or eating it. :D

What can I say? I am just a wimp. ;)

Well, to be fair, she was only referring to the ones she personally spoke with on IM. But yeah, I can see what you mean. ;)

She got to speak with them all on Yahoo IM? :)

I just got an IM that informed me that some of you ladies/gents fought for my honor.

<Bowing to show my gratitude>

Well, it does hurt when someone takes a pot shot at your race. If these ladies had come out and said Flanker you are unattractive, uneducated and classless, it would not have hurt that much. But when they put down all 2 million Indians living in America or 1 billion of them in India, it hurts because I know for fact that Indians are one of the kindest groups of people, I have ever seen. But, there are good and bad apples in every tree.

I am used to of it. All my life, people had been telling me that I am no good because of my skin or my Asian culture. In my younger days, I used to get demoralized. Then I came across Gandhi’s quote: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you and then you win.

Now, I know what my life is all about. First they ignore me. When that does not work, they laugh at me. When that does not work, they fight me and then I kick their ass (symbolic).

I have heard worse things said about us Indians. I would not say that it does not hurt because it does. But if these ladies had not said those mean things then how would I have found out that we have so many wonderful people on this forum?

Well, you just made me cry....and I don't care if you're brown, green, blue, pink or orange with purple polka dots....I love you.....

Well Flanker's one of the nicest internet people I know... who probably doesn't think ANYONE deserves to be tortured.... :cool:

Thanks that was very kind! I hope I deserve that.

Come on over any time!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Just keep in mind I am very pushy and rude and obnoxious. :D

Oh yeah...and just so they know....you can't cook either.... :D :p ;)

http://bestsmileys.com/kissing1/25.gif

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/10.gif

No, no, not hiding. We have one right here on MTaG--our very own Mr. Flanker!!! :D

That was a good one! Thanks! I hope deserve that.

{I apologize if I acted a bit annoyed with these ladies. It brought the bad racist memories of past, which I try hard to forget about. }

Thank you..... http://bestsmileys.com/love2/11.gif

You are welcome! You sexy thing!!!!!!!

{I apologize if I acted a bit annoyed with these ladies. It brought the bad racist memories of past, which I try hard to forget about. }

That's ok. I really don't think they meant to hurt you, though I can see how some of the comments may have stirred up bad memories. :(

Oh yeah...and just so they know....you can't cook either.... :D :p ;)

He's a man, why should he have to cook?

*ducks*

Well, you just made me cry....and I don't care if you're brown, green, blue, pink or orange with purple polka dots....I love you.....

Don't cry!!!!!!

It is not a big deal. I am so glad that you hold a nice view about us poor Indians.

Don't cry!!!!!!

It is not a big deal. I am so glad that you hold a nice view about us poor Indians.

All Indians, in general, and one Indian in particular.....

Oh yeah...and just so they know....you can't cook either.... :D :p ;)

http://bestsmileys.com/kissing1/25.gif

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/10.gif


My wife (ex) still cracks jokes about me not knowing how to turn on the stove. She was very concerned that I would starve to death after we separate. She was right; I am starving to near death.

:eek: ;) ;) :rolleyes:

Salt,

I remember reading your posts on AL on a thread about some topic about Islam. They were all great posts.
Some times I agree with you and sometimes I do not agree with you.

But you are a straight shooter.

My wife (ex) still cracks jokes about me not knowing how to turn on the stove. She was very concerned that I would starve to death after we separate. She was right; I am starving to near death.

I just discovered something....we have an Indian restaurant here in town....

He's a man, why should he have to cook?

*ducks*

LOL

I just discovered something....we have an Indian restaurant here in town....

Las Vegas has some great Indian restaurants.

My wife (ex) still cracks jokes about me not knowing how to turn on the stove. She was very concerned that I would starve to death after we separate. She was right; I am starving to near death.

Flanker, are you sure you can't cook...or did your exwife just convince you of that? My BF's exwife told him he was a terrible cook and wouldn't let him in the kitchen. Now he cooks for me and I think he's wonderful (and he TRIES soooo hard). It seems like it was just one of the many ways that she would put him down.

Trish,

What is the name of that restaurant?

{Look what have you done? You have hijacked yet another thread. But I also share the guilt :D }

Flanker, are you sure you can't cook...or did your exwife just convince you of that? My BF's exwife told him he was a terrible cook and wouldn't let him in the kitchen. Now he cooks for me and I think he's wonderful (and he TRIES soooo hard). It seems like it was just one of the many ways that she would put him down.

Good point! You got me thinking Annie. I think it was her tool to control me. LOL.

But why?

Currently, I am surviving on Vegetarian packages from Trader Joe's.

Trish,

What is the name of that restaurant?

{Look what have you done? You have hijacked yet another thread. But I also share the guilt :D }

It's called Indian Grill....and it says it's "Authentic Flavors of India"....

Yes, I'm the authentic thread hijacker.....but it's taken a much better turn....and I'm always here to spread love and joy.... :D :p ;)

Amen!!!!!!!! Praise the lord!!!!!!!!!

Amen!!!!!!!! Praise the lord!!!!!!!!!

All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?
~ Buddha

Mmmm . . . we have some awesome Indian restaurants in Chicago. Especially on Devon Street aka "Little India."

Flanker, are you sure you can't cook...or did your exwife just convince you of that? My BF's exwife told him he was a terrible cook and wouldn't let him in the kitchen. Now he cooks for me and I think he's wonderful (and he TRIES soooo hard). It seems like it was just one of the many ways that she would put him down.

You know, Annie, you make a good point....cooking is something that takes practice and a little bit of help to master. When I got married I was clueless...but all my husband wanted to eat was hamburgers and french fries...lol....so I had to practice and make him eat all my disasters....we won't even talk about the Thanksgiving turkey that roasted with the bag of giblets inside....or the Chanukah honey cake I made with coffee grounds...hey, it called for a cup of coffee....God, I wish I had a picture of the look on my dear father-in-laws face as he stood there with a mouth full of "cake" as I explained how I made it. LOL!

I'd be extremely happy to teach a man to cook...oh, I'm a good cook now...lol...then I'll set him free in the kitchen....he can make anything he wants for me. :D

OMG!!! I just finally read this thread. I think I read the first page forever ago...and now I just got around to reading it. I'm so glad we have a debate section...

But this reminds me of something. Do you guys remember the 'guess Flanker's ethnicity' poll on AL back in the day? I was like...Flanker is totally northern indian...maybe Pakistanian...but in that area. I then made the mistake of QUALIFYING the statement, saying, and it makes sense too because Flanker is the sweetest guy in the world, and Indian guys are the sweetest bunch of guys I ever met (and I'm in a Linux user group too, I've gone out drinking and eating buffalo wins with many an young Indian gorgeous male). And then...ya know what happened?!?!?! I GOT CALLED A BIGOT! LOL! God, ok yeah, its a sweeping generalization I guess that Indian people are the nicest people in the world. But I meant it more as like...they're a real friendly bunch, not as empirical evidence as to the kindly superiority of Indians over all other nationalities. Plus...at least I'm a nice bigot. :D

That was funny. But I just responded with, yes they are in fact the nicest people in the world. Nicer than anyother race color or creed that ever existed. And its also a well known fact that every single person in New York City will kick you in the shin and take your purse. LOL!

Ok...my reminiscing of the banishment of the Otto is now concluded.

Oh and by the way: I concur. Skibunny is right about everything.

OMG!!! I just finally read this thread. I think I read the first page forever ago...and now I just got around to reading it. I'm so glad we have a debate section...

But this reminds me of something. Do you guys remember the 'guess Flanker's ethnicity' poll on AL back in the day? I was like...Flanker is totally northern indian...maybe Pakistanian...but in that area. I then made the mistake of QUALIFYING the statement, saying, and it makes sense too because Flanker is the sweetest guy in the world, and Indian guys are the sweetest bunch of guys I ever met (and I'm in a Linux user group too, I've gone out drinking and eating buffalo wins with many an young Indian gorgeous male). And then...ya know what happened?!?!?! I GOT CALLED A BIGOT! LOL! God, ok yeah, its a sweeping generalization I guess that Indian people are the nicest people in the world. But I meant it more as like...they're a real friendly bunch, not as empirical evidence as to the kindly superiority of Indians over all other nationalities. Plus...at least I'm a nice bigot. :D

That was funny. But I just responded with, yes they are in fact the nicest people in the world. Nicer than anyother race color or creed that ever existed. And its also a well known fact that every single person in New York City will kick you in the shin and take your purse. LOL!

Ok...my reminiscing of the banishment of the Otto is now concluded.

Oh and by the way: I concur. Skibunny is right about everything.

LOL!!!

My daughter's father was Syrian (born and raised there) and I think Arab people are the nicest people in the world. Try that on for size in a world where everyone thinks they're all terrorists. :(

She got to speak with them all on Yahoo IM? :)

I never said all Flanker. Have you read a THING I said or just jumped to conclusions? Nowhere did I say ANYTHING about all Indians. Just the ones I, personally, have spoken to yahoo and ICQ. I believe I've even said I know some people from India in real life who are lovely people (I'm very sad the family downstairs moved out - they were very nice people with well-behaved kids and I was just getting to know them a little when they decided to move away from the area). By no means...at all...was I maligning your race. That was not my intention by any means. We were talking about the men that came online, the vast majority of which seem to be from India, and who are very rude and pushy. I believe, if you read back, that we even said we know men from all over who are rude. It's just that there are a LOT of men from India online and a lot of them have been very rude to me, personally. I'm sorry but you can't take that experience away. It just is what it is. But by no means do I think it say anything about Indians - just perhaps the sort of men who flock to chat rooms. Certain places attract certain types of people - the Indian men I've met in yahoo chat rooms especially seem to be looking for something I don't provide and get really obnoxious when I say no. Still...my experience and nothing said about every Indian on the planet...just the handful (which is likely in the hundreds) I've met in yahoo chat rooms. Have I chatted with you there? No. Have I chatted there with all people from India, or even a majority? No. So still...I'm talking about my own experiences with a tiny portion of one gender from your country and that is ALL I am talking about.

No one was maligning you, or your race, in any way. I'm sorry you can't see that and want to take offense personally where it was not intended.

~Crysania

Oh and by the way: I concur. Skibunny is right about everything.


While I back this up 100%, I am afrain SN may not have been sober when this comment was made... :(

I never said all Flanker. Have you read a THING I said or just jumped to conclusions? Nowhere did I say ANYTHING about all Indians. Just the ones I, personally, have spoken to yahoo and ICQ. I believe I've even said I know some people from India in real life who are lovely people (I'm very sad the family downstairs moved out - they were very nice people with well-behaved kids and I was just getting to know them a little when they decided to move away from the area). By no means...at all...was I maligning your race. That was not my intention by any means. We were talking about the men that came online, the vast majority of which seem to be from India, and who are very rude and pushy. I believe, if you read back, that we even said we know men from all over who are rude. It's just that there are a LOT of men from India online and a lot of them have been very rude to me, personally. I'm sorry but you can't take that experience away. It just is what it is. But by no means do I think it say anything about Indians - just perhaps the sort of men who flock to chat rooms. Certain places attract certain types of people - the Indian men I've met in yahoo chat rooms especially seem to be looking for something I don't provide and get really obnoxious when I say no. Still...my experience and nothing said about every Indian on the planet...just the handful (which is likely in the hundreds) I've met in yahoo chat rooms. Have I chatted with you there? No. Have I chatted there with all people from India, or even a majority? No. So still...I'm talking about my own experiences with a tiny portion of one gender from your country and that is ALL I am talking about.

No one was maligning you, or your race, in any way. I'm sorry you can't see that and want to take offense personally where it was not intended.

~Crysania

Well said Crysania.

Flanker, I'm sorry that you missread what we had said, but Crysania is right. We weren't putting down a whole group of people, just the ones who are jerky and pushy...and you're going to find people like that all over and I know that. I also know there are alot of very nice people in the world, from ALL OVER the world. I love people, no matter what their race/culture/religion etc..are. I never hate anybody. I get angry, but I never hate a person.

Here's my question... if they are jerky and pushy people, then why bring race into it? Why not just say they're jerky and pushy?

Here's my question... if they are jerky and pushy people, then why bring race into it? Why not just say they're jerky and pushy?

Because it just is what it is. The men I've talked to who were pushy on yahoo WERE from India. I've talked to many rude American men (as well as men from other countries throughout the world), but when I tell them to fuck off, they usually write a few crass comments and disappear. The only one who ever came back when I next got on yahoo were from India. One guy stalked me and wrote nasty comments to me nearly everytime I got online. It was just a statement of our experiences. Nothing more.

~Crysania

I'm probably beating a dead horse here because, although I don't think any of you meant to malign an entire group of people, I still think you fail to see how your comments would effect someone who happens to be of that particular group.

Personally, I've never experienced bigotry against me because of my race, religion, gender, or ethnicity. If I have, I've never realized it. Because of that, I can empathize with someone who has, it can make me very sad, and it can make me very angry, but I can never truly relate to what they've gone through.

None of us can truly know how it feels to have people hate you just for who and what you are. We don't have that perspective.

Crysania, ReiRei....I think you just aren't going to understand because you don't have that perspective. In my opinion, continuing to justify what you said and why you said it, is not going to help in any way. Although I'm sure you're both decent, kind, caring people, in this case you just don't get it.

I'm probably beating a dead horse here because, although I don't think any of you meant to malign an entire group of people, I still think you fail to see how your comments would effect someone who happens to be of that particular group.

Personally, I've never experienced bigotry against me because of my race, religion, gender, or ethnicity. If I have, I've never realized it. Because of that, I can empathize with someone who has, it can make me very sad, and it can make me very angry, but I can never truly relate to what they've gone through.

None of us can truly know how it feels to have people hate you just for who and what you are. We don't have that perspective.

Crysania, ReiRei....I think you just aren't going to understand because you don't have that perspective. In my opinion, continuing to justify what you said and why you said it, is not going to help in any way. Although I'm sure you're both decent, kind, caring people, in this case you just don't get it.

I HAVE experienced bigotry because of my gender and because I'm from America. I've had people write to me and say nasty things just because I'm from America. I've had people malign me because I'm a woman. I've also had people state "All the women I've talked to have been bitchy/horrible/stupid/whatever." I generally try to correct them and tell them that not all women are like that, but I understand it's their experience and I cannot negate what it is they've experienced. I let it go and hope that some day they'll meet a woman or an American who's NOT what they say it is.

I DO get it. It seems others don't. *shrugs* I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I'm not bigoted and my comments were not bigoted. I was just stating my experiences and I'm sorry if people don't understand that.

~Crysania

I think you just aren't going to understand because you don't have that perspective. In my opinion, continuing to justify what you said and why you said it, is not going to help in any way.

This is the key point I think people are missing. We all make mistakes by the way we word things when our intention was not to hurt. I think apologizing and then justifying your actions makes the apology null and void.

My suggestion is and it can be taken or you can tell me to shut the hell up, is to simply say, "It was not my intention to hurt anyone and I'm sorry that I offended. I certainly do not believe all men of XXX race are rude and pushy." The end. :)

Yep, I may be simple, but that's who I am.

Shan

This is the key point I think people are missing. We all make mistakes by the way we word things when our intention was not to hurt. I think apologizing and then justifying your actions makes the apology null and void.

My suggestion is and it can be taken or you can tell me to shut the hell up, is to simply say, "It was not my intention to hurt anyone and I'm sorry that I offended. I certainly do not believe all men of XXX race are rude and pushy." The end. :)

Yep, I may be simple, but that's who I am.

Shan

Which is what I said...and simply finished with "that has just been my experience in yahoo chat." I don't think that's justifying ANYTHING. I was just explaining why I said something. People seemed to want an explanation or were taking my statement about my experience to mean I meant that about ALL Indian men...which I didn't. I AM sorry anyone felt offended and I did NOT intend to hurt anyone and nor do I believe all men of ANY race are one way (either good OR bad). I was just stating my experience with yahoo chat rooms.

I don't know what else to say at this point. Should I say "oh nevermind that WASN'T my experience" knowing it was? I'm not justifying - that's someone else's interpretation. I was explaining what my experiences were.

Can we leave it that? I even wrote to Flanker with a huge explanation, not that I heard back - but probably because he thinks I'm an "idiot."

~Crysania

Can we leave it that? I even wrote to Flanker with a huge explanation, not that I heard back - but probably because he thinks I'm an "idiot."

~Crysania

Then you have done all you can do girl. You made a sincere apology, which is outstanding in my opinion. Walk away from it and know you did what was right. (((((Crys)))))

Shan

Then you have done all you can do girl. You made a sincere apology, which is outstanding in my opinion. Walk away from it and know you did what was right. (((((Crys)))))

Shan

Thank you. ((((Shan))))

I HAVE experienced bigotry because of my gender and because I'm from America.

I also have experienced bigotry because I'm American. Also I live in a very small town filled with Caucasian and hispanic people. While growing up, I had SOME Hispanic people glare, tease, make rude comments or just being rude just because of my color...though I had ALOT of Hispanic FRIENDS during my life here. I exsperinced that with some Native Americans also. (I had Native American friends also). Also because I"m Christian. Yep, there are some people that are against Christians out there and I have been flamed for it...but that doesn't happen often.

So yes Trish, I do get it. That's why I'm trying to apologize for my actions on this board and I know that I have hurt many peoples feelings....

ALL I WANT IS PEACE!! :p

ALL I WANT IS PEACE!! :p

Me too!!

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All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?
~ Buddha

That was amazing. Thank you!

Mmmm . . . we have some awesome Indian restaurants in Chicago. Especially on Devon Street aka "Little India."

I did not know they had places like little India. I will visit this little India one day.

You know, Annie, you make a good point....cooking is something that takes practice and a little bit of help to master. When I got married I was clueless...but all my husband wanted to eat was hamburgers and french fries...lol....so I had to practice and make him eat all my disasters....we won't even talk about the Thanksgiving turkey that roasted with the bag of giblets inside....or the Chanukah honey cake I made with coffee grounds...hey, it called for a cup of coffee....God, I wish I had a picture of the look on my dear father-in-laws face as he stood there with a mouth full of "cake" as I explained how I made it. LOL!

I'd be extremely happy to teach a man to cook...oh, I'm a good cook now...lol...then I'll set him free in the kitchen....he can make anything he wants for me. :D

If you give man some food, you feed him for the day, teach him how to cook and you fed him for the life?

- Lama Flanker :)

OMG!!! I just finally read this thread. I think I read the first page forever ago...and now I just got around to reading it. I'm so glad we have a debate section...

But this reminds me of something. Do you guys remember the 'guess Flanker's ethnicity' poll on AL back in the day? I was like...Flanker is totally northern indian...maybe Pakistanian...but in that area. I then made the mistake of QUALIFYING the statement, saying, and it makes sense too because Flanker is the sweetest guy in the world, and Indian guys are the sweetest bunch of guys I ever met (and I'm in a Linux user group too, I've gone out drinking and eating buffalo wins with many an young Indian gorgeous male). And then...ya know what happened?!?!?! I GOT CALLED A BIGOT! LOL! God, ok yeah, its a sweeping generalization I guess that Indian people are the nicest people in the world. But I meant it more as like...they're a real friendly bunch, not as empirical evidence as to the kindly superiority of Indians over all other nationalities. Plus...at least I'm a nice bigot. :D

That was funny. But I just responded with, yes they are in fact the nicest people in the world. Nicer than anyother race color or creed that ever existed. And its also a well known fact that every single person in New York City will kick you in the shin and take your purse. LOL!

Ok...my reminiscing of the banishment of the Otto is now concluded.

Oh and by the way: I concur. Skibunny is right about everything.

I have one minor bone to pick with you. It was Viva not Otto who said that. ;)

Well, I am taking my hat off and taking a bow to you lovely bigot. :D

This is the key point I think people are missing. We all make mistakes by the way we word things when our intention was not to hurt. I think apologizing and then justifying your actions makes the apology null and void.

My suggestion is and it can be taken or you can tell me to shut the hell up, is to simply say, "It was not my intention to hurt anyone and I'm sorry that I offended. I certainly do not believe all men of XXX race are rude and pushy." The end. :)

Yep, I may be simple, but that's who I am.

Shan

Very sincere post!!!!!!!!!!

If I ever hurt someone's feeling, I will use this post a guidline to make my apology. Very sincere!!!!!

{I think buxom women have buxom heart. Just kidding. :) }

Uhhh....this might sound mean....but I think you guys are stereotyping and it's kind of ugly.....

I've run into jerks of all ages, colors, sizes, shapes, ethnicities, religions.....

I used to get IMs and offlines from a 30-something guy in Turkey....constantly....he'd send me poetry that supposedly he had written. It was actually beautiful....and I'm sure he was sending it to tons of other women. So what? I finally just put him into ignore status....the one and only person I've ever done it to. A couple of years past....I was updating Messenger and took him out of ignore....well, he popped back up again. lol! I laughed and put him back in ignore.

Recently, I had an obnoxious 57-year-old Irish-Catholic right here in Rhode Island. He was rude, crude and totaling annoying. I kept saying "No" and he kept pursuing. Finally I said "I don't know how many other ways I can tell you 'No'. He got pissy and I haven't heard from him again.
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It's not their fault that statistics are what they are. If it wasn't Indian men that kept pursuing them and being rude than that fact would have never came into this picture. But it was indeed fact. I don't see how that is stereotyping in any way whatsoever.

This world really needs to learn how to be less PC.

Me too!!

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I do not think we have a war going on. You made your point and others made their point.

It was all in all an educational thread. It taught me some valuable lessons, even though the lessons came at a price.

You know, Annie, you make a good point....cooking is something that takes practice and a little bit of help to master. When I got married I was clueless...but all my husband wanted to eat was hamburgers and french fries...lol....so I had to practice and make him eat all my disasters....we won't even talk about the Thanksgiving turkey that roasted with the bag of giblets inside....or the Chanukah honey cake I made with coffee grounds...hey, it called for a cup of coffee....God, I wish I had a picture of the look on my dear father-in-laws face as he stood there with a mouth full of "cake" as I explained how I made it. LOL!

I'd be extremely happy to teach a man to cook...oh, I'm a good cook now...lol...then I'll set him free in the kitchen....he can make anything he wants for me. :D

LOL Trish!
Seriously though...he's a natural in the kitchen. I haven't had to do anything, but he's so worried he's doing something wrong. Anyhow, I don't want to get started on what a bitch she was. I should be grateful, because otherwise they'd still be together but it pisses me off that he was treated so badly for so long.

Flanker....just jump in there and give it a try, you might like it! There's lots of good vegetarian cookbooks out there.

It's not their fault that statistics are what they are. If it wasn't Indian men that kept pursuing them and being rude than that fact would have never came into this picture. But it was indeed fact. I don't see how that is stereotyping in any way whatsoever.

This world really needs to learn how to be less PC.

You are entitled to your opinion but please do not rape the word "statistics". The word "statistics" has a very significant meaning.

To gather a meaningful statistics, you have to come up with meaningful samples. Then there are guidelines on how to make samples.

LOL Trish!
Seriously though...he's a natural in the kitchen. I haven't had to do anything, but he's so worried he's doing something wrong. Anyhow, I don't want to get started on what a bitch she was. I should be grateful, because otherwise they'd still be together but it pisses me off that he was treated so badly for so long.

Flanker....just jump in there and give it a try, you might like it! There's lots of good vegetarian cookbooks out there.

Are we talking about babysteps? LOL

This really is the "take everything too serious" thread.

This really is the "take everything too serious" thread.

Well, in my opinion, the debate section is usually the "take everything too serious" SECTION.

Touche.

As I say...

Extremists are always the downfall of a good idea.

Random Sampling

Choose a subset of the population ensuring that each member of the population has an equivelant chance of being sampled

Examine that sample and use your observations to draw inferences about the population

Example: Voting Polls, Television Ratings

Note, however, that the inferences drawn are only as good as the randomness of the sample

If the sample is not random, it may not be representative of the population. When a sample is not representative of its parent population, the external validity of any inferences is called into question.
Example: Most psychology experiments

Very sincere post!!!!!!!!!!

If I ever hurt someone's feeling, I will use this post a guidline to make my apology. Very sincere!!!!!

{I think buxom women have buxom heart. Just kidding. :) }

Thank you for noticing my buxom heart, Flanker. It's nice to be noticed for something besides my boobs. I think.:p

Shan

Well, I noticed both!!!!! :D

{What can I say? There is a little dog in me afterall. :) }

Can we forget this thread and start over? And talk about something nice like....bunnies!!! I like bunnies! They're so cute and fluffy...and have little twitchy noses...

If you give man some food, you feed him for the day, teach him how to cook and you fed him for the life?

- Lama Flanker :)

Teach him how to cook and then he can do all the cooking.....:D
Of course cooking together can be fun, too... :p ;)

Can we forget this thread and start over? And talk about something nice like....bunnies!!! I like bunnies! They're so cute and fluffy...and have little twitchy noses...

I'm trying to find a picture of our bunny, Rei....my daughter has them all and I need her to give it to me so I can scan it to post. We just had to have him put to sleep because he developed a growth that they said would take over his body. He was so cute....a hug