So heres the cliff hanger!.......

OMG So Im posting in the Parenting thread! :D I just took a test this AM. I got 2 pink lines! :D :love:

Still have to go to a doctor to make sure but! OMG I might totally be Pregnant! :D :love:

Awwwww!!!!! Congratulations that you might be!!! :D I'll come back with more congrats when you know for sure. :D ;)

Wow! :eek:

Congratulations! A false positive is a lot less common than a false negative test, so the test result is probably right.

How are the immigration issues coming along? Will this help that situation?

Aww congrats to you and Brandoch! :yay: You're going to be an awesome mom!!! :)

Thanks Trish! :D

Ami- still haven't heard anything on immigration. Have an appointment to talk with an immigration lawyer in a week or so. I hope that it does, how human would it be if they kicked a pregnant woman out of there country with no where to go? Because I sure am not going to go home to my crazy family especially if I was pregnant! :eek: What a scary thought! LOL

Aww congrats to you and Brandoch! :yay: You're going to be an awesome mom!!! :)

Aww! Thanks, Agthing! :D

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What a surprise! When is your appointment? I hope you are pregnant! You'll make a wonderful mommy!

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What a surprise! When is your appointment? I hope you are pregnant! You'll make a wonderful mommy!

I hope that I am too! You guys are sweet to tell me that I'll be a great mom! We haven't been that careful, but if its correct then it was against the odds from my health issue... We are going to have dinner with Terry (the lady who we know that works for the lawyer) this weekend. So hopefully she could answer some of our questions and talk to her boss about helping us out! :D So hopefully we will see him next week! :D

When is your doctor's appointment?

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Congratulations! As Ami said, false positives are very rare, so put your feet up!

When is your doctor's appointment?

Dont have one yet.... Still have to sort that all out insurance and stuff... It is only my first test! Ill start taking vitamins and take another test in a few days or so with a different brand because this brand has done that to me before with the 2 line things so if that test says yes too then I will see about going to the doctors... Im not sure still how the health care here works or if they will even see me cause im not insured and im not a citizen yet...

Go get a couple of different pregnancy tests until you can see a doc.

I know that you really want this, so I wish it will turn out positive!

Fingers crossed for you!:)

I know that you really want this, so I wish it will turn out positive!

Fingers crossed for you!:)

Thanks oipe! :D

Those tests are really accurate.

And don't worry about Immigration. We Canadians take everyone. (that's both good and bad)

~Jenna

Thats fantastic! I as well hope its positive.

Congrats!!!! :yay: :yay: :yay:

That's so exciting!!! :)

Not to get too personal, but do you have any other pregnancy symptoms? How long has it been since you missed your period?

Like someone else else, it isn't likely that you'd get a false positive. So that's a good sign.

Keep us posted!

Forgive me if I'm asking a question that's already been answered....but were yall trying to get preggers?

Congrats! I hope yall can get all that immigration stuff straightened out! :D

Nadine.

I was wondering that too! But as Tony hasn't started taking her vitamins yet, I would think it would be the negative.

But, hey, it's not the worst suprise in the world :D

Those tests are really accurate.

And don't worry about Immigration. We Canadians take everyone. (that's both good and bad)

~Jenna

Well they weren't to friendly to me at the first boarder crossing! ;) :p LOL

That's so exciting!!! :)

Not to get too personal, but do you have any other pregnancy symptoms? How long has it been since you missed your period?

Like someone else else, it isn't likely that you'd get a false positive. So that's a good sign.

Keep us posted!

Its really hard to tell because my periods have been so off and on but I did have one in Nov so when I didnt have one in Dec I thought it just might be my POCS acting up or something so I was going to take the hormone that my doctor gave me before I left the states to start my period but then I thought I should take a test first to make sure.... So my last period was in Nov but this past couple of weeks I have been really moody and my boobs are like swollen and bigger. Im super tired and today I took like a 4 hour nap! :eek: I have been having a bit of cramping on both sides and in the middle. I pee more then I use to during the day so I have been drinking more water then usual too! I haven't had any sickness or headaches but I do know that if some one suggests something to eat that doesn't sound good to me I get a little sick.

Forgive me if I'm asking a question that's already been answered....but were yall trying to get preggers?

Congrats! I hope yall can get all that immigration stuff straightened out! :D

Nadine.

Not really "trying" but we where not being careful so if it happened we are both ok with it! :D

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OMG YOU'RE TOTALLY PREGNANT!!!!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!

:yay:

Congratulations, Rachel and Brandoch!!! I'm happy for the two of you!

:party::band::D

Congrats Tony!! I hope everything goes smoothly for you with the doctor and the immigration lawyer (((hug)))

Oh wow, fingers crossed :)

And don't worry about Immigration. We Canadians take everyone.

Where do I sign up? :D

Not really "trying" but we where not being careful so if it happened we are both ok with it! :D

I'm so glad that it's a welcome thing for both of you. :)

From those symptoms, it sounds definite to me. Congratulations!!!!

UPDATE??????????

UPDATE??????????

I woke up at 3 am and forgot to grab the next test because I was half asleep and had to pee really really bad!......

MAZEL TOV!!!!
That was REALLY FAST!!!

oh this is so exciting!!!

I woke up at 3 am and forgot to grab the next test because I was half asleep and had to pee really really bad!......

You can test any time of day, not just first thing in the morning. ;) :D :)

Ok update!?

2 more tests! Both Positive! :eek: :D

Now, how does an illegal alien in Canada go to the doctor? :(

Congrats!!!!!!!!!:yay::yay::yay:

If you do not have any insurance, can`t you just go and pay for the check-up, ultrasound, etc? You still have your passport, doctor will not ask how long you are in the country or want you to show him visa:confused:

I know about forums for illegal people in the usa, when they share info about situations like yours, maybe you can do some research on net about Canada, I am sure there is some useful info for you out there.:)

Good luck with everything! Oh my god, it`s so exciting:D

Congrats!!!!!!!!!:yay::yay::yay:

If you do not have any insurance, can`t you just go and pay for the check-up, ultrasound, etc? You still have your passport, doctor will not ask how long you are in the country or want you to show him visa:confused:

I know about forums for illegal people in the usa, when they share info about situations like yours, maybe you can do some research on net about Canada, I am sure there is some useful info for you out there.:)

Good luck with everything! Oh my god, it`s so exciting:D

No insurance, the health care is different here its like for everyone or something like that... Im sure they will ask for my info but im not a citizen so im not sure what they would do? :confused: I dont have a passport, if you are driving into Canada from the states you do need one however if you are flying...

Ok update!?

2 more tests! Both Positive! :eek: :D

Now, how does an illegal alien in Canada go to the doctor? :(

Stub your toe, go to the E.R for x-rays tell them you might be pregant but don't know. They'll do the test.

They don't do ultra-sounds here until at least 16 weeks.

~Jenna

Ok update!?

2 more tests! Both Positive! :eek: :D


Tony! That is great news, congrats!! :cheer: :yay:

I am sorry I don't have any advice on the doctor situation though...

Congratulations Rachel!!! That's so exciting! Get on those vitamins ASAP.

In regard to medical, did you (or could you now maybe?) buy travel medical insurance? This is the only way I would think that your visits would be covered unless you've already started the immigration process, in which case maybe there is some way that the bills can wait until you are eligible for MSP coverage.

The best way to sort this out would be to contact the Medical Services Plan (MSP) (http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/msp/infoben/contacts.html). Explain your situation and they'll hopefully help you figure out the best thing to do.

Stub your toe, go to the E.R for x-rays tell them you might be pregant but don't know. They'll do the test.

They don't do ultra-sounds here until at least 16 weeks.

~Jenna

Jenna, you get the :award:for best advice! :roflao:

Oh my gosh!! Congratulations! :yay:

Tony did you mean you are an illegal alien? I'm confused, which is not unusual....I thought you migrated to Canada to live. Wouldnt that automatically give you rights to health care, social security etc....it does here when people immigrate. I dont know if its different in Canada (Polarity???) but here if you dont have citizenship or residents visa you arent covered by universal health care, and need travellers insurance to cover your costs....you wont be denied treatement but you have to pay.

Awesome. Awesome. Congrats!!!!!!! Get it confirmed and update us. We'll start a nice thread for all the pregnant angels here.

Tony did you mean you are an illegal alien? I'm confused, which is not unusual....I thought you migrated to Canada to live. Wouldnt that automatically give you rights to health care, social security etc....it does here when people immigrate. I dont know if its different in Canada (Polarity???) but here if you dont have citizenship or residents visa you arent covered by universal health care, and need travellers insurance to cover your costs....you wont be denied treatement but you have to pay.

Same goes for here. I don't think you'd get the bill you would if you were in the U.S though.

She did migrate here. But migrating is not the same as immigrating. So, unless she's done some immigration stuff ( far as I know she hasn't yet) she isn't covered under our healthcare. And provinces are different. New Brunswick doesn't have universal health care the same as Ontario (where I am) does. So, I don't know.

Tony, can you not just scoot across to Seatle and see a doc? Do you still have health insurance in the states? You gotta do something by the end of your 1st tri-mester and it sneaks up quick!

~Jenna

Same goes for here. I don't think you'd get the bill you would if you were in the U.S though.

She did migrate here. But migrating is not the same as immigrating. So, unless she's done some immigration stuff ( far as I know she hasn't yet) she isn't covered under our healthcare. And provinces are different. New Brunswick doesn't have universal health care the same as Ontario (where I am) does. So, I don't know.

Tony, can you not just scoot across to Seatle and see a doc? Do you still have health insurance in the states? You gotta do something by the end of your 1st tri-mester and it sneaks up quick!

~Jenna

No i dont have any insurance in the states and it would be easier in the states to see a doctor since i could just go to a clinic but im super afraid to go back to the states and then come back into Canada, because they denied me the first time to begin with since i dont have any ties to the states. They could deny me crossing and then I would be stuck in the states with no where to go! :(

Jeff should be calling the lawyer tomorrow and asking a few questions and hopefully getting the ball rolling....

Well?

~Jenna

Well?

~Jenna

We have an appointment Friday, hopefully. To see the lawyer but still waiting for Terry to get back to us...

We have an appointment Friday, hopefully. To see the lawyer but still waiting for Terry to get back to us...

Who's Terry?

You really have to see a doctor.:( Will you be penalized in any way for being illegal??

What's the appointment for exactly? Can they get something temporary so that you can see a doctor? You've gotta go ASAP.

Who's Terry?

You really have to see a doctor.:( Will you be penalized in any way for being illegal??

What's the appointment for exactly? Can they get something temporary so that you can see a doctor? You've gotta go ASAP.

Terry is the girl we know that works for the lawyer. If we can start the immigration process they give me access to health care for a bit to get settled in. See what we need to to start on that process if its going to be a while I have looked into getting some travels insurance that should cover me till things get moving. I know that I have to go to the doctor! Its actually getting there and in is the problem.... :grrr:

Rachel, what about looking for a midwife nearby? Maybe this would be easier? In BC, unless you have complications and need to be referred to a doctor, a midwife can be your primary caregiver.

I did some googling around and saw a site that said a course of care from a midwife, as paid by MSP, is about $2700...which doesn't seem too bad. Here's the website (http://www.bcmidwives.com/abbotsford.htm) to find a registered midwife.

Whether or not you want to go with a midwife or a general practitioner, I don't think the fees to see someone would be that bad, at least for the first bit and assuming that there's no complications. It can't hurt though for you to at least contact an office and get some information. Good luck!

Rachel, what about looking for a midwife nearby? Maybe this would be easier? In BC, unless you have complications and need to be referred to a doctor, a midwife can be your primary caregiver.

I did some googling around and saw a site that said a course of care from a midwife, as paid by MSP, is about $2700...which doesn't seem too bad. Here's the website (http://www.bcmidwives.com/abbotsford.htm) to find a registered midwife.

Whether or not you want to go with a midwife or a general practitioner, I don't think the fees to see someone would be that bad, at least for the first bit and assuming that there's no complications. It can't hurt though for you to at least contact an office and get some information. Good luck!

This is seriously what I would like to do! I use to watch this show on DH about a Birthing Center in Southern Florida with a registered midwife. And I loved it and told my self from all the crap that I have heard about hospitals, that I would want a midwife. The monitor the baby differently you dont have to wear that thing around your tummy and you can choose to have them in a bed or a water birth.
Midwifes develop more of a communicative relationship with you and how you want your birthing exp. to be. Hospitals I have heard are more on the doctors time. I saw a video recently that C-section was on the rise, and many woman that i have spoken too who have had c-section have said that it feels like the whole thing was taken away from them. It leaves you in the hospital and have more of a chance of infection and complications later if you have more children...

The only thing is they only take low risk pregnancy's and I dont know if I am high or low. If my condition is going to affect this process. I actually have this website bookmarked so that when I do find out that I will give them a call... This whole thing is making me really crazy! I feel so stuck and all I can hope for is that maybe, just maybe this lawyer will have some answers for us.. :(

This whole thing is making me really crazy! I feel so stuck and all I can hope for is that maybe, just maybe this lawyer will have some answers for us.. :(

I really hope you get this all figured out and it turns out okay.:hug:

However, you really need to have a back up plan. Just my opinion.;) I don't know if that means going back to the states or what. I'm also concerned that you may be penalized in Canada for being illegal. I don't know how their system works though.

Hang in there! It will work out somehow, some way.

Ok, well if you ARE interested in a midwife anyhow, I'd strongly urge you to just call up an office and talk to them - there's no harm in that and then maybe you won't feel so stuck. Perhaps they've already encountered this situation and would have advice for you?

Also, midwives can handle higher risk pregancies (here in BC at least). They set up plans so that if and when need be, you are placed in the care of an MD and they may not recommend a home birth, but they can still deliver you at a hospital. As long as you see a registered midwife, you can be assured that they are following guidelines that lay out what they can and can't handle.

PS - a friend of my family is a midwife and I have always been interested in her work so this is why I am spouting off!

Ok, well if you ARE interested in a midwife anyhow, I'd strongly urge you to just call up an office and talk to them - there's no harm in that and then maybe you won't feel so stuck. Perhaps they've already encountered this situation and would have advice for you?

Also, midwives can handle higher risk pregancies (here in BC at least). They set up plans so that if and when need be, you are placed in the care of an MD and they may not recommend a home birth, but they can still deliver you at a hospital. As long as you see a registered midwife, you can be assured that they are following guidelines that lay out what they can and can't handle.

PS - a friend of my family is a midwife and I have always been interested in her work so this is why I am spouting off!

Thanks Annie I just found a web page of the list of things Midwives cant handle and POCS doesnt seem to be on that list! Im gonna give one a call! :D

That's some good news! Good luck with it all Rachel. I hope things go okay for you.

Ok.. I called the local midwifery group and then they told me that I needed to get a dating ultra sound done. So then I called a medical imaging place where they said that they could see me to have it done for $160 bucks! So I will get in to find out next week! :D Then I can call the midwifery group back! :yay: A couple of phone calls was all that was really needed! :D

Tomorrow we shall see what the lawyer can do for us! Things are looking up perhaps! :D

Good news Rachel! Woohoo! :D

Nadine.

:cheer: Yay!!!:D

Yay! Happy for you... Congratulations and best wishes.

Whether you go with midwife or Dr. just hold out for someone you feel comfortable with. I had Drs with all of mine, nothing against midwifes just not covered by my insurance. I did switch a couple times until I found someone I felt comfortable with and trusted. Gotta say, though, when the time comes to deliver, you probably won't care too much! More along the lines of 'git 'er done'!!

Midwives are great...(insider trading here LOL I am one).....seriously though I had all three of my kids at home with midwife deliveries, all water births, with doctor backup organised should we need transfer to hospital....beautiful deliveries....no stitches, no tears, 10 pound babies.....not saying its for everyone but it worked for us

Midwifes develop more of a communicative relationship with you and how you want your birthing exp. to be. Hospitals I have heard are more on the doctors time. I saw a video recently that C-section was on the rise, and many woman that i have spoken too who have had c-section have said that it feels like the whole thing was taken away from them. It leaves you in the hospital and have more of a chance of infection and complications later if you have more children...

Have you considered a home birth? It might be a good way to save money on hospital fees if you aren't covered by insurance at that point. Plus, there wouldn't be as much pressure about "failure to progress" that pushes interventions that lead to C-sections.

Both my babies were born by C-section, and I do feel like I've missed out on the birthing experience. My daughter was a true emergency cesarean; it saved both our lives, and I'm very grateful for that. My son was an elective repeat, though, largely because my OB pressured me into it; and I very much regret that decision. My OB won't attend a VBA2C, so the only way I could try for a vaginal delivery this time would be with a home birth midwife. We would have to come up with $3,000 for the midwife vs. $200 for a hospital delivery, so it looks like I'm headed for another C-section. :(

I hope your ultrasound goes well, and good luck with the midwife group. :)

Midwives are great...(insider trading here LOL I am one).....seriously though I had all three of my kids at home with midwife deliveries, all water births, with doctor backup organised should we need transfer to hospital....beautiful deliveries....no stitches, no tears, 10 pound babies.....not saying its for everyone but it worked for us

What a wonderful experience! :)

Ami yes it was a great experience. You may however find that the midwife wont do a vaginal birth after two CSs, especially at home. The risk of rupture is quite high due to increased pressure during delivery and the prime concenr of course is safety of mum and bub. Also his/her insurance might not cover the increased risk, so the midwife would be working under full liability, which no professional would accept. But again if its a first its a bit different. We paid out of pocket $3000 for each delivery, and then after care as well. We could have had them for free in hospital, but the philosophy of the medical model didnt sit well with me.

Yes, CS, I was thinking about the ruptures after two C-sections as well.

Home birth sounds good to me, but what if something will go wrong??? I mean in general, not Tony`s case. I would probably feel more secure in hospital, just in case although home enviroment sounds more appealing.

Well, we do not have midwifes and home births (rarely) so if I do give birth here, there`s not much choice.

Tony, I am happy that everyhting goes well! It`s fantastic that you can have midwife taking care of you. Hopefully this lawyer can help you someway immigration stuff-wise.

I would be too scared to attempt a home birth.
I had a low risk pregnancy with our third, but as soon as Es was born I started bleeding (a lot). It took them 40 minutes to stop it by which time I had lost 1400ml. It is a 40 minute drive from our house to the hospital so goodness knows what would have happened if I'd been at home.

I don't mean to offend anyone, or put people off, I just wouldn't feel right keeping quiet about it.

I don't mean to offend anyone, or put people off, I just wouldn't feel right keeping quiet about it.

If anyone is offended...:rolleyes:. Every mother has a preference for the way she wants to give birth. There is no right or wrong IMHO. And it's no one's business. Too many people stick their nose where it doesn't belong. They'll berate women for not having a drug free birth, they'll criticize new moms for not using cloth diapers or breast feeding, the list goes on.

It's the woman's choice on how she wants to give birth and raise her child. It's nobody else's business and they shouldn't make it so. Worry about yourself!

;):D

Ami yes it was a great experience. You may however find that the midwife wont do a vaginal birth after two CSs, especially at home. The risk of rupture is quite high due to increased pressure during delivery and the prime concenr of course is safety of mum and bub.

I did find a midwife practice in the area that accepts VBA2Cs, but I live too far from the hospital to feel comfortable attempting a home birth, and it would be very difficult to come up with the money out of pocket.

My OB quoted a 5% rupture risk for a VBA2C, but I can't seem to find any study results that substantiate a risk that high. C-sections are major surgery and come with their own set of risks, too. It starts to seem more like lawsuit risk avoidance than anything else, i.e., a doctor is much more likely to get sued for the section he didn't do than the section he did.

If anyone is offended...:rolleyes:. Every mother has a preference for the way she wants to give birth. There is no right or wrong IMHO. And it's no one's business. Too many people stick their nose where it doesn't belong. They'll berate women for not having a drug free birth, they'll criticize new moms for not using cloth diapers or breast feeding, the list goes on.

It's the woman's choice on how she wants to give birth and raise her child. It's nobody else's business and they shouldn't make it so. Worry about yourself!

;):D

I agree with you. There isn't one way to give birth or raise your children. The ones that make me crazy are those who blame everyone else for their mistakes :mad: then want to sue someone for compensation...

It's the woman's choice on how she wants to give birth and raise her child. It's nobody else's business and they shouldn't make it so. Worry about yourself!

:agree:

I have no right or desire to criticize a woman for how she chooses to give birth. I just get pissed off about cases where doctors and hospitals take women's choices away.

I just get pissed off about cases where doctors and hospitals take women's choices away.

That will piss me off too. I hate how quickly they shove you out the door.

I don't mean to offend anyone, or put people off, I just wouldn't feel right keeping quiet about it.....

Did I miss something...I didnt see anyone criticise anyone for their choices....seems like everyone is just discussing what works for them.

Bag if you had been at home there would have been some interventions that could stabilise you till you got to hospital but again if you felt more comfortable delivering in the hospital there isnt really an issue. The issue is there are choices available that suit the individual woman and that she has the right to exercise those choices. Too often doctors are forced to cover their asses liability wise and intervene when waiting might also be an option, and a less invasive one. Not all home births go according to plan, my first baby was stillborn, not due to the home birth BTW. The second and third went fine. I have had three friends attempt a home birth and need to go to hospital, but if they were in hospital they would have had to be moved from the birth centre up to a more comprehensive delivery suite with a specialist, so its really what you are prepared to accept as your personal journey. No judgement here, I'm a great advocate for each to their own and making choices that benefit both mum and bub, and also the dad person.

Ami if you had a vaginal birth at home you would want a really good action plan for possible transport to hospital. There are also some risks to the baby due to prolonged labour depending on the type of C section scarring you had, as the muscle contraction might not be as strong...so you have to take a lot into account. If it was me and I was trialling my scar I would want to be in a hospital, but maybe you could compromise and go to a really lovely birth centre where they will let you progress and see how you go.
The rupture rate of 5% is pretty accurate, that is 5% of all women with previous C sections who subsequently have a vaginal delivery, which is a small percentage of women, so the rate is comparatively high. The rate of Apgars under 8 is quite high in those babies, about 20%, and the actual rate of successful delivery if the woman has had more than one C section is about 60%.

Anyway Tony hope you do find the experience you are looking for, and that it all works out with the immigration/health stuff

Thanks everyone!

I would also like to add that you can still have a midwife deliver your baby but you can choose to have it at the hospital and not at home that is also an option! :D

So the lawyer answered all of our questions and the trouble/fear we where having was all because the ass hole at the border the first time. He said they where really picking on us that this is a really common thing! So its just a matter of getting a criminal background check from the FBI and you know getting married and filling out the citizen paper work and sending it with my background check and Brandochs employment information for sponsorship. And any documents that relates to my pregnancy so it actually looks to them that we are in a true relationship and not some fake one just to get citizenship. I unfortunately cant get health care till I get approved, but I will hopefully be going to get my dating ultra sound done on Tuesday, if they still have the date available! :D

This is a huge rock of stress that has been taken away from me and it feels really good!
Now all I have to do is wait for him to ask me! ;)

YAY Tony!!I am so happy for you.:love:

When I had Bryson I was to scared of everthing and as it turned out I needed to be in the hospital anyways to have a preemie.

With Jason I wanted to have a Mid-Wife and Mark said no way he was to freaked out by the concept. What I didn't know was I could have one with me at the hospital. Not that it mattered Jason shot out like a rocket and I barely made it to the hopsital let alone a midwife.

Even if I don't have any experience with a midwife, I will recommend one to anyway. I had a drugged delivery with Bryson and it was aweful. The epidural stopped the labour, and they had to restart it with a different drug, even though he was early by then it was to far gone to remain pregnant. Then I was so frozen that my sister and the nurse had to manually push Bryson out.He came out bruised and battered. I could have made a pottery bowl on his cone head! I was in so much pain afterwards I couldn't pee, ask me sometime aobut having a catherter shoved up you swollen goodies!

With Jason my labour was so fast that I didn't have a choice. It was all natural and I'll tell you something, it was WAY easier. I've heard the horror stories and don't understand them. If you ask the horror story teller a few questions it will turn out she was just being a whimp.

When you are frozen chances are high you will need and epsiotomy. That's when they cut you open down there to make room. I had one. The stictches got infected, I couldn't sit down it was wonderful. With Jason I naturally tore and had NO issues afterwards. They stitched me up and I walked back to my room from the labour/delivery room.

While birthing is and should be a woman's choice, I will never understand the choice to do C-section, ala Brittany Spears. This is a highly invasive process and un-natural to both the woman and the baby. It is a harsh proceedure and used to only used in extreme circumtances. Now they use it as a 1st choice? It happened to be my biggest fear as well.

Drugs or not? That is the question. With a Dulla you will learn the technics to breathe through the pain and they do work! A midwife does the same thing but can also deliver you baby.

Some things to know about pain meds and delivery.

Demerol- ingested orally or by IV takes the labour pain out but DOES stop the baby's heartbeat and they start it with a different drug. Not a choice for me.

Epi-dural- Is okay for the baby but not for you. You risk instant paralysis that can never be reversed.

Can cause you to have chronic back pain for life.

Can cause muscle spasms for the rest of your life.

These choices have to be made. Make them wisely do all your homework.

I compared natural child birth to having a bladder infection. It burned until the baby was out then stopped. That's it. I breathed my way through the pain and if you can remember to breathe (why you need a good coach) you'll be fine. I hold my breath when I'm in pain. Some people are just that way. My sister coached Mark who coached me. All she said was "you'll know when she's having a contraction because she'll stop talking and breathing, tell her to breathe and she will, but you will have to tell her! :D

I'm glad I had Jason the way I did and have NEVER recommend drugs again, nor will I. Its not worth it!

I do still wish I'd have known about having a dulla or mid-wife with me at the hospital though.

~Jenna

I couldn't pee, ask me sometime aobut having a catherter shoved up you swollen goodies!

:scared: :( Ouch!

When you are frozen chances are high you will need and epsiotomy. That's when they cut you open down there to make room. I had one. The stictches got infected, I couldn't sit down it was wonderful. With Jason I naturally tore and had NO issues afterwards. They stitched me up and I walked back to my room from the labour/delivery room.

I have heard about this too and it dosnt sound that apealing, that is un natural to me as well.

Epi-dural- Is okay for the baby but not for you. You risk instant paralysis that can never be reversed.

Can cause you to have chronic back pain for life.

Can cause muscle spasms for the rest of your life.

Im not sure I could handle a long ass needle in my lower back, PERIOD.... That creeps me out! :scared:

Ever since my mom told me that i was a water baby i have been fascinated by the procedure and since living it have come to have an appreciation for it, and its benefits.

I still have time to research! LOL I do thats lots! especially with the Internet at my fingertips! :D

I had an epidural with all three of my children, no paralysis, no muscle issues, no back pain. They numb the spot of entry, you dont feel or see the needle, just some pressure in your back. I will say the ONLY problem I had, was the vertebrae in my spine are huge (evidently I have a large bone structure, but never knew) so he a couple of times hit those. But he said he would rather have someone with large vertebrae and small spaces in the back then someone with gaping spaces because that means back problems down the road.:D So dont let the epidural scare you and I would not completely rule it out. You never know what your pain tolerance is going to be. Water birth would be awesome, because the heat of the water will reduce the cramping and relax you making the contractions easier to take and able to do their job.:p Just my two cents.

I don't think I've responded to this thread yet, so:
CONGRATS!

First of all, CONGRATULATIONS, and I have to say I encourage the water birth idea. If/when Litical and I have another, that's the route I want to go with a midwife present. :) It was just dumb going to the hospital for Nim. I had her completely naturally within 5 minutes of arriving to the labor/delivery room. And like Jenna said, the delivery part really only STINGS. I think contractions are the worst part and all a woman has to do is remember it's TEMPORARY and will subside as soon as the baby is born.

Mind you, I have a very skewed pain threshold, having lived with degenerative disc disease for over 13 years since shortly after having an epidural with my first child. Yes, I'm one of those who got the unlucky side effect of degenerative disc disease from the epidural and I know damn well it was the epidural. L5 from Gaelen, L4 from Lira.

And while I'm in no way one of those LaLeche nuts who push breastfeeding on another mom, I can say without a doubt having done the bottle with Gaelen and Lira and breastfeeding with Nim, breastfeeding ROCKS. It's SO easy (after the first week), free, helps YOU avoid post-postpartum depression and is truly a wonderful bonding experience.

So yeah, if we have another one, it will be at home. Hospitals suck for having babies in... and I'll never, ever understand choosing to have a c-section. It makes no sense to me. In an emergency?? Yeah, I get that. But as a choice??? Nope. Can't fathom why anyone would choose a major surgery and four + days recuperation in such an unnatural environment when they can be up and tending their baby within minutes of a natural birth. And I do mean minutes!! I was ready to be out of that damn hospital with Nim 5 minutes after she was born. I did not need to be there and neither did she. That was not the case after the epidurals.

Just my .02 cents of experience there.
~phos

First of all, CONGRATULATIONS, and I have to say I encourage the water birth idea. If/when Litical and I have another, that's the route I want to go with a midwife present. :) It was just dumb going to the hospital for Nim. I had her completely naturally within 5 minutes of arriving to the labor/delivery room. And like Jenna said, the delivery part really only STINGS. I think contractions are the worst part and all a woman has to do is remember it's TEMPORARY and will subside as soon as the baby is born.

Mind you, I have a very skewed pain threshold, having lived with degenerative disc disease for over 13 years since shortly after having an epidural with my first child. Yes, I'm one of those who got the unlucky side effect of degenerative disc disease from the epidural and I know damn well it was the epidural. L5 from Gaelen, L4 from Lira.

And while I'm in no way one of those LaLeche nuts who push breastfeeding on another mom, I can say without a doubt having done the bottle with Gaelen and Lira and breastfeeding with Nim, breastfeeding ROCKS. It's SO easy (after the first week), free, helps YOU avoid post-postpartum depression and is truly a wonderful bonding experience.

So yeah, if we have another one, it will be at home. Hospitals suck for having babies in... and I'll never, ever understand choosing to have a c-section. It makes no sense to me. In an emergency?? Yeah, I get that. But as a choice??? Nope. Can't fathom why anyone would choose a major surgery and four + days recuperation in such an unnatural environment when they can be up and tending their baby within minutes of a natural birth. And I do mean minutes!! I was ready to be out of that damn hospital with Nim 5 minutes after she was born. I did not need to be there and neither did she. That was not the case after the epidurals.

Just my .02 cents of experience there.
~phos

Phos, I agree with you 100%! :D
I do plan on breast feeding, who knows what they put in that can of baby formula, I do know what I put into my body so it just seems to make sense.

If it was me and I was trialling my scar I would want to be in a hospital, but maybe you could compromise and go to a really lovely birth centre where they will let you progress and see how you go.
The rupture rate of 5% is pretty accurate, that is 5% of all women with previous C sections who subsequently have a vaginal delivery, which is a small percentage of women, so the rate is comparatively high. The rate of Apgars under 8 is quite high in those babies, about 20%, and the actual rate of successful delivery if the woman has had more than one C section is about 60%.

Yes, I would absolutely prefer to be at the hospital in my situation. Home birth only came into consideration for me because the midwife practice that accepts VBA2Cs does not do hospital deliveries (CPMs rather than CNMs). The only midwife who delivers at my hospital is actually in a joint practice with my current OB, so I don't think I would have any better luck with her. If I want an in-hospital trial of labor, then I'm looking at either trying to find a different OB or walking into the hospital in labor and refusing the surgery.

Do you have any recollection of where you heard those rupture statistics? People on other boards have said that my OB is wrong, and they quoted stuff like the 2006 Landon study that found a 0.7% rupture risk for VBA1C and 0.9% rupture risk for VBA2C. It's so frustrating because of course I want to trust my doctor, but I also feel like he led me into the wrong decision last time (telling me my 8 lb. 11 oz. baby was too big for a trial of labor).

This is a huge rock of stress that has been taken away from me and it feels really good!
Now all I have to do is wait for him to ask me! ;)

I'm so glad that you got good news from the lawyer. That must be a big relief for you guys. :)

And now you have something else really exciting to look forward to. ;) :D

*Bump*

Hey, Rachel, how are you feeling? Did everything go okay with the ultrasound?

*Bump*

Hey, Rachel, how are you feeling? Did everything go okay with the ultrasound?

:sighs:

I was not able to get an ultrasound because i needed a doctor to refer me... So Jeff called this # for health questions or what not and they said that they have to check into the doctors the specialize in this area and then get back to us. So basically they are seeing if any doctors are available who want to take on a patent who is not covered and we of course will have to pay out of pocket for. I still have about a month before my 1st trimester is up, if i calculated everything right... I did how ever get my fingerprints done and gonna send that off to the FBI. I feel fine! :D No sickness! Thank goodness!

I have been eating a lot more fruits and veggies, my lower back aches a bit here and there but other then that things are starting to pan out. Im not so tired anymore although I do sleep a bit more then i usually do. My mood has turned around and i feel great! Im going to start swiming a bit to get some exercise.

I'm glad you're feeling well, and I hope they find a doctor for you soon.

I'm glad you're feeling well, and I hope they find a doctor for you soon.

Thanks Ami! :D